matticus
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Is there an asterisk in the results, or similar?
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classic33
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Weren't those wheel discs banned for safety reasons, after one or two parted company with the cars they were part of?
Jenkins
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I think they were banned due to being used as an aerodynamic device - funelling air through the wheels and into the brake duct area where the ducts were also more of an aeordynamic design rather than an air duct.
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Reynard
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I've just been touching up some old scans of F3000 photos from 1991, and they were using wheel covers back then as well. So it's not exactly a new idea...
And I'm sure they've been using them in Indycar (or whatever it's called these days - I don't follow US racing much) for donkeys.
And I'm sure they've been using them in Indycar (or whatever it's called these days - I don't follow US racing much) for donkeys.
classic33
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Ferrari used them the previous year, for the first time in F1.
Jenkins
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Illaveago
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Doesn't it seem like they are going round and round in circles ?
They say that they want to reduce costs to enable more teams to enter . So what do they do ? Let's make huge changes to the design ! It doesn't give tems with less money to spend enough time to figure out how to improve their car before a new set of rules comes in and so they have to design a whole new car .
I thought ground effect cars were banned after several accidents happened when the cars took off .
I think the lack of overtaking could be down to the design of the circuits being too twisty and too many becoming like a condensed Monaco.
They say that they want to reduce costs to enable more teams to enter . So what do they do ? Let's make huge changes to the design ! It doesn't give tems with less money to spend enough time to figure out how to improve their car before a new set of rules comes in and so they have to design a whole new car .
I thought ground effect cars were banned after several accidents happened when the cars took off .
I think the lack of overtaking could be down to the design of the circuits being too twisty and too many becoming like a condensed Monaco.
Joey Shabadoo
My pronouns are "He", "Him" and "buggerlugs"
Ummm... isn't that literally a description of the sport?
Jody
Stubborn git
Wind tunnel and CFD rules will enable teams further down the field to catch up. The higher you finish, the less time you are given to develope.
There is also a budget cap to stop the top teams running away with development.
Ground effects should help with racing as they are going to be able to follow the lead car closer and not overheat their tyres due to lost aero. It was banned before as teams were taking it to the extreme with side skirts and running them virtually on the tarmac.
I'm quietly optimistic that this year's rules will work unless one team finds a loop hole like the double diffuser.
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Reynard
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Umm, that was nearly 40 years ago... The understanding of the effect is much better, plus the current design doesn't have the side skirts, which were part of the issue with the cars taking off once the venturi underneath had been disrupted.
And I think you'll find that every era of F1 since the late 1960s has complained about a lack of overtaking. Prior to then, cars relied purely on mechanical grip. You can blame Colin Chapman for that, because now it's swung almost entirely to aero grip, with the inevitable consequences it brings.
Cerdic
Senior Member
I think your first sentence is absolutely correct. PR facesaving and all that.
I don’t agree that Verstappen’s win is tarnished though. It maybe a bit of a cliche, but a championship is won over a season, not a lap.
Hamilton and Verstappen had an intense fight over the season. The two of them were head and shoulders clear of the rest of the field and either would have been a deserving champion…
Bonefish Blues
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But it manifestly was, and it's now a matter of wide acceptance that was the case - so much so that someone lost a job, and changes in administration are being made.
Whichever had come out of that last race ahead deserved the Title, but at least ensure it is a fair fight.
Cerdic
Senior Member
Yes but...if one of the previous races had had a slightly different result, that final lap would not have altered the outcome. This is why Verstappen’s win is not tarnished.
What is being debated is the application of rules and procedures on the last couple of laps of the final race. Yes they were incorrectly applied, and yes the result of the final race was affected.
But the championship was still won and lost over the course of the season. If Hamilton, for example, had picked up an extra couple of points back in, say, June, the whole “last lap, safety car” shenanigans would have been irrelevant…
What is being debated is the application of rules and procedures on the last couple of laps of the final race. Yes they were incorrectly applied, and yes the result of the final race was affected.
But the championship was still won and lost over the course of the season. If Hamilton, for example, had picked up an extra couple of points back in, say, June, the whole “last lap, safety car” shenanigans would have been irrelevant…
matticus
Guru
Good try Cedric: but unfortunately no TRU sports fan believes this.
See also: penalty shootout misses in football.
