Motorsports Thread

[figbat]

That Article 15.3 allows the Race Director to control the use of the safety car, which in our determination includes its deployment and withdrawal.

He's been winging it all season and bowing to pressure from who shouts the loudest.

Article 15.3: "The Race Director shall have overriding authority in the following matters and the clerk of the course may give orders in respect of them only with his express agreement...
... e) The use of the safety car."

However "the use of the safety car" is managed in other articles. So he can say when the safety car goes out and comes in, but this triggers the respective articles according to the circumstances, which includes restart procedures and unlapping procedures. Those other articles do not have a clause stating "unless otherwise directed by the race director", so once triggered should be completed. On Sunday they weren't.

 

[Deleted member 1258]

I might be totally contrary to you gentlemen, as I *WOULD* like this to go to court.

Because it's not about the result, it's about the whole integrity of the sport - especially when the officials aren't man enough to admit it's been an omnishambles and do the right thing.

Masi was a deputy race director under Charlie Whiting. Due to circumstance, Masi was promoted to a job he does not have the ability or fortitude to carry out. The other was / is Scott Elkins, who is now the Formula E race director. The difference in professionalism between the two men is light years apart. The FIA definitely went for the wrong man IMHO, and now they're paying the price.

Masi is in need of a sideways promotion into a job where he's out the way, then they need to appoint someone who can do the job and has the balls to stand up to the team principles and not be influenced by them..

 

[figbat]

Masi is in need of a sideways promotion into a job where he's out the way, then they need to appoint someone who can do the job and has the balls to stand up to the team principles and not be influenced by them..

And stand up to Liberty and pressure to deliver a show rather than a sporting competition.

 

[ClichéGuevara]

Which season have you been watching?

I was thinking ahead for after the appeal...or more likely, I had a brain fart there.

 

[Bonefish Blues]

It might be worthwhile reading the quote from Masi in here, from about 2 months ago wrt The Eifel GP v-a-v the procedure behind the SC:

https://www.racefans.net/2020/10/11...fety-car-was-used-to-make-race-more-exciting/


Extract:
The delay in ending the Safety Car period happened because of the length of time it took to wave the lapped cars through, said Masi.

“There’s a requirement in the sporting regulations to wave all the lapped cars passed. So from that point it was position six onwards that were still running. Between 10, 11 cars had to unlap themselves. And therefore the Safety Car period was a bit longer than what we would have normally expected.”

My summary - things were decided on the spot yesterday. The question is whether the Race Director has the ability to do that, contrary to the provisions of the Sporting Code.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

Technically, on the last lap Hamilton gave up the place he'd illegally gained on the first lap. Great sportsmanship there.

 

[classic33]

Anyone know what the bookmakers are doing at the moment?
Do they pay out or not?
Imagine putting a couple of grand on a Hamilton win at the start of the season. You’d feel totally robbed. Similarly if you’ve done the same for verstappen you’d want your money now.

Coral are currently going with the result as it stands. In before Thursday if you wish to cash in, on the drivers result and constructors result.

Can Red Bull take the constructors championship?

 

[Jody]

Can Red Bull take the constructors championship?

How are they going to do that?

 

[Bonefish Blues]

In other news Pit to Race Director comms will be stopped next year according to Ross Brawn.

 

[matticus]

Due to circumstance, Masi was promoted to a job he does not have the ability or fortitude to carry out. The other was / is Scott Elkins, who is now the Formula E race director. The difference in professionalism between the two men is light years apart. The FIA definitely went for the wrong man IMHO, and now they're paying the price.

Don't forget his response to the last bit of Toto whining:
- This is motor-racing Toto.

He deserves the job just for that.

 

[FishFright]

Article 15.3: "The Race Director shall have overriding authority in the following matters and the clerk of the course may give orders in respect of them only with his express agreement...
... e) The use of the safety car."

However "the use of the safety car" is managed in other articles. So he can say when the safety car goes out and comes in, but this triggers the respective articles according to the circumstances, which includes restart procedures and unlapping procedures. Those other articles do not have a clause stating "unless otherwise directed by the race director", so once triggered should be completed. On Sunday they weren't.

That was the reason given by the stewards and they generally have access to all the rules , unlike us who are just having fun at F1's expence.

 

[figbat]

That was the reason given by the stewards and they generally have access to all the rules , unlike us who are just having fun at F1's expence.

We also have access to all the rules.

 

[FishFright]

We also have access to all the rules.

Come back when you've read them all , I won't bother as I've been there before and its a mad house once you start digging.

 

[figbat]

Come back when you've read them all , I won't bother as I've been there before and its a mad house once you start digging.

A few seasons ago I did read them all (and the technical regulations) - not a lot on that day. I’ve read the pertinent ones for 2021.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Tbh I lost interest in F1 as a fair and honest sporting spectacle many years ago, but I do see the need to have a result based upon sporting prowess and performance on the day.

I see unfairness both in allowing Verstappen to retain the win and in the rather arcane rules/interpretation that virtually stole the result from Hamilton.

Verstappen did overtake Hamilton and cross the line first and neither he nor his team cheated, while at the same time he was given a dubious advantage which stopped Hamilton winning.

The only fair way to settle this, which I know will not happen for all sorts of reasons, will be another, possibly shortened, race at the same circuit between the two drivers. In the absence of this the result must stand, even if there is always going to be a question mark over it.