Motorsports Thread

[Reynard]

Don't forget his response to the last bit of Toto whining:
- This is motor-racing Toto.

He deserves the job just for that.

While I don't enjoy the teams whingeing and whining, (although in the past, it was still the case, albeit kept mostly behind closed doors), for Masi to say that, and then play "what rule shall we throw out of the rule book today" is a tad hypocritical, don't you think?

It's not motor racing. It's an unprofessional sh*tshow. On all sides.

F1 could learn a lot from the BTCC as to how the officials behave and how the rules should be applied.

 

[gbb]

And all all of this proves, is what a circus F1 is.
If they wanted an extraordinary end to the season and championship, they might well have deliberately engineered it. Its got everyones attention, perhaps that was always the aim.
Any news (bad included) is good news as they say. It will pass, i think it's good for F1 to have another serious contender, something that's been missing for a long time. F1 has become boring, not a patch on years ago, who wants to see the same driver win year in year out ?...not me.

 

[figbat]

The only fair way to settle this, which I know will not happen for all sorts of reasons, will be another, possibly shortened, race at the same circuit between the two drivers. In the absence of this the result must stand, even if there is always going to be a question mark over it.

Taken straight from the Pixar play book - this is how the Piston Cup was decided in Cars.

The other option is to declare the race a lap shorter (like the time the chequered flag went out a lap early). This hands it back to Lewis but as many have mentioned, I don't see them changing the winner of the race or championship and I have no beef with Max or RBR (in this particular case) who simply grasped an opportunity presented to them.

 

[Bonefish Blues]

And all all of this proves, is what a circus F1 is.
If they wanted an extraordinary end to the season and championship, they might well have deliberately engineered it. Its got everyones attention, perhaps that was always the aim.
Any news (bad included) is good news as they say. It will pass, i think it's good for F1 to have another serious contender, something that's been missing for a long time. F1 has become boring, not a patch on years ago, who wants to see the same driver win year in year out ?...not me.

Thing is, the whole formula is thrown up in the air for next season, courtesy of the biggest change to the car specs in living memory, so who knows who'll be on top?

 

[Rusty Nails]

Thing is, the whole formula is thrown up in the air for next season, courtesy of the biggest change to the car specs in living memory, so who knows who'll be on top?

The one with the best car, or do the changes neutralise the car?

 

[T4tomo]

1980s?

You missed it in its prime. McManus, Pallo, Count Bartelli (lived in a bungalow just down the road) Kendo Nagasaki. Jumpers for goalposts, F1 cars that killed you to death if you even sat in them.

70/80's maybe I'm older than I thought! Pat Roach, later appeared in auf wiedersehen, Super destroyer Pete Roberys and of course Big Daddy & Giant Haystacks. All less fixed than F1 has become...

 

[Bonefish Blues]

The one with the best car, or do the changes neutralise the car?

That's the intent - to allow more passing via closer following, but unless there's a Brawn or Lotus ground effect genius at work, it'll be budget-driven, I think.

ETA
Here:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/...l-new-2022-f1-car.4OLg8DrXyzHzdoGrbqp6ye.html

 

[Alex321]

Thing is, the whole formula is thrown up in the air for next season, courtesy of the biggest change to the car specs in living memory, so who knows who'll be on top?

Some of us have been alive long enough to have seen bigger changes

 

[Bonefish Blues]

Some of us have been alive long enough to have seen bigger changes

Which ones are you think about?

 

[Alex321]

The one with the best car, or do the changes neutralise the car?

They don't neutralise it completely, but they do I think reduce the impact somewhat.

The main impact of the changes is likely to be more overtaking as it will severely reduce the negative impact that following another car currently has.

 

[Beebo]

The one with the best car, or do the changes neutralise the car?

The hope is that they will give closer wheel to wheel racing.
The best drivers tend to race with the best cars. That’s always happened.
The best jockeys get the best horses.
The best 3 week stage racers get the best support riders.
The best footballers play for the biggest teams.

 

[Bonefish Blues]

That's about the first thing there has been agreement on for a while 😊

 

[figbat]

The one with the best car...

Not always. Consistent finishing in a moderately decent car will beat someone who frequently crashes the best car. Big rule changes tend to favour someone who interpreted the regulations uniquely and those who build a reliable car.

Which ones are you think about?

The change from V8 to turbo-hybrids was pretty fundamental.

 

[Alex321]

Which ones are you think about?

Kers & DRS. Turbocharged engines. Groundforce rules (with the new changes reintroducing groundforce effects to a significant extent). Rules banning refuelling, while at the same time requiring two different tyre compounds to be used, so forcing pit stops.

The changes for next year are certainly significant, and the biggest for a few years. But not the biggest "in living memory" IMO.

 

[Bonefish Blues]

Hmmm, not sure I agree - this is fundamentally changing and re-architecting the cars as opposed to changing PUs, fuel cell sizes et al.

A good primer here, which goes into much greater detail about the specifics of the changes:

https://the-race.com/formula-1/f1-2022-car-rule-changes-guide/