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[figbat]

Finally got round to watching the highlights ,not that there was many . Did I hear correct Max's fastest lap was 1.6sec faster than anyone else ?

Just under 1.5s...

In fact the whole fastest lap list makes interesting reading. There's over 3.5s between the fastest and slowest fastest laps.
https://www.formula1.com/en/results.html/2024/races/1229/bahrain/fastest-laps.html

 

[Bonefish Blues]

Alpine really has produced a donkey...

I have a friend who works there. I'll gently ask him what's occurring!

 

[Drago]

The thing I can't understand is, if that transcript was a normal a shop manager and employee they would be fired. He came across as a massive letch.

I'm not sure how Horner is still going.

The issue is the messages have no provenance and are from an anonymous source. Evidentially they are of zero value.

Without said provenance they don't even meet the threshold to be hearsay.

Try and fire someone on the basis of unsubstantiated gossip and youll end up in court having your pants pulled down while they anally invade you and help themselves to your wallet. You can have no doubt that's what he'd do, using Red Bulls own investigation to substantiate his claim of innocende. Red Bull GMBH would get legally kneecapped by their own evidence if they tried.

As things stand Red Bull Spice has been investigated by an independent expert, has fully co-operdred, and has been found to have no case to answer. Like it or not, that is the legal bottom line at the present time, at least until any more information might come to light.

The problem Jos faces is that the leak, we'e it to be real, constitutes an unlawful data breach in any European jurisdiction, and in many it even carries a prison sentence. Providing sufficient evidence to substantiate the information may also serve to identify the leaker, and they'd be in a world of sheet, probably civil and criminal. You can bet Red Bull Spice's lawyers have their guns cocked and locked on that one.

My prediction is thus...

Nothing more will come of it because the leaker will fear being caught if they do any more, it'll eventually quieten down and the likes of Jos will he left holding their d***s and looking very exposed.

Less likely alternative, someone may be brave and reveal more, a prosecution will ensure and even though Red Bull Spice may have been naughty with the office help he'll have the legal and moral high ground.

Either way, Jos ends up seriously disadvantaged.

While RBS still had the backing of the majority shareholder, who apparently regards him like a son, nothing will happen. All these fools are doing is showing their cards and lining themselves up for a knife between the shoulders at some future time.

 

[Jody]

The issue is the messages have no provenance and are from an anonymous source. Evidentially they are of zero value.

Without said provenance they don't even meet the threshold to be hearsay.

IF they were made up, it could easily go away by saying so.

Given that some of the exchange is linked in the press, tells me it's real.

Try and fire someone on the basis of unsubstantiated gossip and youll end up in court having your pants pulled down while they anally invade you and help themselves to your wallet. You can have no doubt that's what he'd do, using Red Bulls own investigation to substantiate his claim of innocende. Red Bull GMBH would get legally kneecapped by their own evidence if they tried.

As things stand Red Bull Spice has been investigated by an independent expert, has fully co-operdred, and has been found to have no case to answer. Like it or not, that is the legal bottom line at the present time, at least until any more information might come to light.

The barrister was brought in to dot the i's and cross the t's and make sure there was no come back after excusing it. All I'm saying is from what i've seen, i'm surprised it's playing out the way it is.

Have you read the full "alleged" transcript?

 

[Drago]

IF they were made up, it could easily go away by saying so.

If it were made up, why should he say a thing?

He may well be an axe murder who worships the devil and feeds elderly people to the hounds, but due process must be respected else its pointless having such a process in the first place.

It seems here there people only respect due process if it gives them an outcome they agree with.

Perpetual mudslinging makes him the victim, and the more it happens (and an alleged part of the investigation report has been leaked today) the more those doing it are becoming the villains. Not only that, but they've now named the other party which is really unfair on them.

If there is genuine evidence, these people need to grow some stones and air it, or else shut up. Hiding behind anonymity, and thus giving the information being allegedly leaked no provenance, is doing no one any good. It smacks of petulance from a sore loser, and seeing as RBS is reported to have had a semi public stand up shouting match with Jos it's not difficult to figure out who that may be.

 

[Bonefish Blues]

Post 4376 seems ever more relevant tbh.

@Drago where was the part report leaked?

 

[Bonefish Blues]

Jos banned from attending next week's GP as part of RBR, I read. He's losing the battle, isn't he.

Update - had been fed some tosh which I faithfully repeated... I understand the below is the correct position.

"Some stories floating around that Jos Verstappen will miss the Saudi Arabian GP because of the ongoing Christian Horner situation. It is true he will not be there, but he was never going anyway because he is taking part in the Rallye de Hannut."

 

[Bonefish Blues]

Oh and on Alpine's Donkey:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/68470753

 

[icowden]

Finally got round to watching the highlights ,not that there was many . Did I hear correct Max's fastest lap was 1.6sec faster than anyone else ?

Yes, although that's not necessarily a show stopper. Max deliberately saved a set of new softs which he bolted on in lap 37 and in nice clear air used them to get the fastest lap time. By that stage I think everyone else was on mediums or hards, and no-one had a new set of softs to run to the end of the race on. It was a great strategy call.

Lewis and George both said that Mercedes made the wrong call on the weather and as a result were a lot less competitive than they expected. I still don't think anyone is close to that Red Bull car though.

 

[Jody]

If it were made up, why should he say a thing?

Isn't that bit obvious

It seems here there people only respect due process if it gives them an outcome they agree with.

Does that also stand if something has been conveniently swept under a rug?

Not only that, but they've now named the other party which is really unfair on them.

I've noticed people calling for that in the online comments. Totally unacceptable

If there is genuine evidence, these people need to grow some stones and air it, or else shut up.

IF correct, the evidence is there. It's the process and how/why they arrived at no outcome that seems odd.

It seems he It smacks of petulance from a sore loser, and seeing as RBS is reported to have had a semi public stand up shouting match with Jos it's not difficult to figure out who that may be.

I'd be having doubts over the star driver if a family member was trying to disrupt the team like that from within


Personally, if it is Jos, I think Brazil was the catalyst with Monaco providing the raw materials.

 

[Drago]

Blimey, now Ben Sulayem is in bother...

https://racingnews365.com/fia-president-under-investigation-for-alleged-race-interference

At this rate Mother Teresa could be in F1 and end up under suspicion of something unsavoury.

 

[Drago]

Post 4376 seems ever more relevant tbh.

@Drago where was the part report leaked?

Don't know to whom buddy, but was being reported on motorsport.com earlier today, although now the article has mysteriously vanished.

 

[Bonefish Blues]

Don't know to whom buddy, but was being reported on motorsport.com earlier today, although now the article has mysteriously vanished.

There's all sorts of legal gags floating around - I expect that was another one!

 

[Drago]

Aye lad, it's tricky to know what to believe, particularly when the key material is generating so much noise from so little substance. I guess things will play out as they do.

Talk is turning to Jos' threats for Max to go to Mercedes. Apparently to only way Max can go (unless RB accept a payment to release him, which I can't see ever happening) is for Helmut to leave, a scenario which then gives Max the power to activate a break clause, so I guess its all eyes on Marko.

 

[Jody]

Blimey, now Ben Sulayem is in bother...

https://racingnews365.com/fia-president-under-investigation-for-alleged-race-interference

At this rate Mother Teresa could be in F1 and end up under suspicion of something unsavoury.

Some strange things going on in F1 at the minute with all these odd cases cropping up.

Not sure who or what is the agenda but there seems to be an implosion incoming.

As much as I didn't like Bernie maybe ruling with an iron first and wheeler dealing was the right way? Doubt any of this sh#t show would have gone on back then.