Motorsports Thread

[Drago]

I take it you don't like Perez

I think he's great. I just don't kid myself he is or ever will be a Senna, Schumey, Vettel, Hamilton or Verstapen...or maybe Norris.

I don't think he's up there either with the top flight second string drivers, the Webbers, Ricciardo's (in his prime), that sort of thrusting almost-but-not quite world championship material.

I'd rate him somewhere in a par with Bottas, stifling mediocrity with occasional flashes of determination and brilliance, although Bottas' haircut is more interesting at the moment.

He's a nice guy and I cheer when he does well, but all his talk of championship contention has done is to set even higher expectations that he won't meet. He needs to take a leaf out of Max's book while he, Perez, is young enough to turn it around and that includes massive amounts of sim work and minimal time wasted on the media.

With some effort I think he could put himself up there with the Webber's and Ricciardo's of this world and that would be something to see, but I sadly don't think he will get the chance if Ricciardo consistently keeps out qualifying and beating Tsunoda. If that happens Perez will be gone before you can say "contractual performance clause." His contract is with Red Bull Gmbh and not Red Bull F1 team, so if he doesn't start mopping up all the available points Max leaves unclaimed I fear he will be moved to Alpha Tauri. Its a bitter-sweet thought because I like Ricciardo a lot and whichever way this drama plays out a nice bloke, a clean and honourable driver, will lose out.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

They could do anything they wanted for Perez and he won't break records or win championships. People need to get over it.

Verstappen gets spoiled rotten because he performs. Period. He gets the rewards because he performed from the word go, and very quickly got himself promoted to the big team in the first half of his first season, and performed qell enouhnti make it stick. Look at the drivers who had the same opportunity and blew it, Albon, Kyvyat, Ghastly...

You've seen what RB do to drivers that don't perform, they don't get hugged and spoiled rotten through the bad times. Max could bring about world peace and cure cancer this season , but if he has a 2024 season like Hamilton did last year he'd have been at serious risk if 2025 didn't bring about a significant upturn.

If Perez wants some of that he needs to start earning it. The excuses his fans trot out on his behalf are so laughable even Perez himself doesn't use them.

What's your fixation on Perez, this is nothing to do with Perez, this is about Verstappen this started 5 years ago or whenever he joined them.

They said they were building the team around him for understandable reason but it's to the exclusion of others.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

Don't get the love-in for Ricciardo. He started 13th, finished 13th. Tsunoda started 17th and finished 15th, driving the car faster than his teammate.

13	Daniel RicciardoRIC	33	AlphaTauri	13	22	1:23.934	1 lap behind	00
14	Nico HulkenbergHUL	27	Haas	10	22	1:23.573	1 lap behind	00
15	Yuki TsunodaTSU	22	AlphaTauri	17	22	1:23.269	1 lap behind	00

 

[Deleted member 1258]

Don't get the love-in for Ricciardo. He started 13th, finished 13th. Tsunoda started 17th and finished 15th, driving the car faster than his teammate.

13	View attachment 699943 Daniel RicciardoRIC	33	AlphaTauri	13	22	1:23.934	1 lap behind	00
14	View attachment 699944 Nico HulkenbergHUL	27	Haas	10	22	1:23.573	1 lap behind	00
15	View attachment 699945 Yuki TsunodaTSU	22	AlphaTauri	17	22	1:23.269	1 lap behind	00

Nor me, he struggled when away from Red Bull, when he went back they spent time coaching him and farmed him out to AlphaTauri.

 

[icowden]

Don't get the love-in for Ricciardo. He started 13th, finished 13th. Tsunoda started 17th and finished 15th, driving the car faster than his teammate.

Simple - your maths is wrong. Ricciardo got caught up in that incident in the first lap, he was knocked right to the back of the grid. He thus had to drive much faster than Tsunoda to get from 18th back to 13th.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

Simple - your maths is wrong. Ricciardo got caught up in that incident in the first lap, he was knocked right to the back of the grid. He thus had to drive much faster than Tsunoda to get from 18th back to 13th.

Except Tsunoda's fastest lap was quicker than Ricciardo's. He drove the car faster.

 

[icowden]

Except Tsunoda's fastest lap was quicker than Ricciardo's. He drove the car faster.

For one lap. Woo.

 

[rustybolts]

Ferrari drivers 6th and 7th in the driver's championship table..200 points behind Verstappen . Dreadful Ferrari pitstop yesterday will add to frustration in the cockpit .

 

[Deleted member 26715]

Except Tsunoda's fastest lap was quicker than Ricciardo's. He drove the car faster.

For one lap. Woo.

Without the full data it's very difficult to pull any useful data from the little we know

Ferrari drivers 6th and 7th in the driver's championship table..200 points behind Verstappen . Dreadful Ferrari pitstop yesterday will add to frustration in the cockpit .

They are still allowing the drivers to make the calls with the limited data that they have in the car, it's okay to ask the drivers how are the tyres, how are they feel etc. But not to let them decide which to use, they don't have all the computer information, it as though the strategists don't have the faith in their own decisions. Also holding Sainz behind LeClerc on faster tyres was just a waste of tyres, they need to work as a team.

 

[icowden]

Without the full data it's very difficult to pull any useful data from the little we know

True, but we do know that Zhou went into the back of Ricciardo and pushed him into one of the Alpines, which then cannoned into the other Alpine and retired both of them. This moved Ricciardo to last on the Grid and with potential damage to the car. We also know that Ricciardo finished 13th carrying damage to the car having moved up 5 places, whilst Tsnoda finished 15th having moved up two places. In order to overtake Tsunoda he had to have been going faster than Tsunoda.

 

[Deleted member 1258]

I didn't watch the podium celebrations, I believe Mclaren have had to apologies to Red Bull for damaging the trophy.


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"Lando Norris couldn’t stop himself from laughing after he accidentally smashed Max Verstappen’s F1 Hungarian Grand Prix winners’ trophy during the podium celebrations. "

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/10319...erstappen-s-trophy-during-podium-celebrations

 

[icowden]

I didn't watch the podium celebrations, I believe Mclaren have had to apologies to Red Bull for damaging the trophy.

Apparently Lando likes to smack the champagne bottle down so the pressure created pops the cork. In a freak accident the cork went straight into the porcelain trophy and smashed it.

 

[classic33]

Apparently Lando likes to smack the champagne bottle down so the pressure created pops the cork. In a freak accident the cork went straight into the porcelain trophy and smashed it.

The trophy fell from the podium step, breaking it, after the bottle was slammed on it. The cork shot straight up from the bottle following the opening.

 

[icowden]

The trophy fell from the podium step, breaking it, after the bottle was slammed on it. The cork shot straight up from the bottle following the opening.

Fair enough. I was mis-interpreting the vague reportage from the BBC:-

Lando Norris, who finished second for the second consecutive race with a fine drive in the vastly improved McLaren, did his trademark thing on the podium where he bangs the champagne bottle down to release the cork.

It is a neat trick, except this time he tried it rather too close to the winner's trophy, which Verstappen had placed rather too close to the edge of the top step. The trophies in Hungary are arguably the loveliest of the year, handmade from porcelain and very expensive. The impact of Norris' bottle sent Verstappen's into the air, and it fell on to the floor, breaking into several pieces.

 

[Jody]

Quite liked the Sky F1 juniors. Especially after this

https://www.planetf1.com/news/nico-rosberg-fumes-sky-f1-junior-nickname/

Scarlett: “Good luck Britney, I hope you do well.”
Rosberg: “No Scarlett that was not cool. I share a secret there with you guys, that was not cool at all.”
Scarlett doubled down: “Thank you Britney.”
Rosberg: “Please apologise.”
Scarlett: “Sorry.”
Rosberg: “Apology accepted.”