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Ricciardo baled out of Red Bull when he saw how potent a force Verstappen was developing into.
I disagree with you on that point, I don't think he had a choice, he thought he was still good enough to win a Championship, he was never going to be allowed to at RB, both Marko & Horner were already saying they were going to build the whole team around Verstappen.

They can only build one car & then vary slightly what they have, Ricciardo likes a pointy front end car, Verstappen likes a sloppy loose rear car, which car were they going to build it was obvious.
 

Drago

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The issue with the direction of car build suiting a driver is a misunderstood one.

Newey, or whoever, doesn't set out to build a car to suit whichever driver. As fwr as hemis concerned he simply sets out to draft the fastest steed he can within the regulations.

However, the drivers do have input, particularly when testing is required to determine a design direction of confirm the suitability of a design.

The likes of Hamilton and Verstappen were raised as racers from a young age, and while not qualified per se, each received comprehensive classroom lessons and hands-on training in race car engineering as part of their education and induction into racing. Jos the Boss arranged Max's, and Ron Dennis bankrolled Lewis' classroom training. The likes or Perez and Ricciardo have not had such formal schooling in engineering, at least to nowhere near the depth and level of Max, and Lewis in particular.

As a result they are far better engineers and give far more meaning input and feedback at the design and development stage than their rivals. That's why the cars the cars tend to suit the number 1 drivers better at MB and RB.

Of course, if Lewis is to be believed he wasn't listened to very much this time around, but in general its the better engineering training and knowledge of Max and Lewis that guides the designs their way, not some cloak and dagger Rand Corporation sponsored plot to make life difficult for the number 2 drivers we want to see do well.
 
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I liked the experimental format.
Me too, just watched it on C4 Jolyon Palmer is a better commentator than he is a driver, Coulthard though still stinks, he should have starred on Crossroads he's so wooden. I liked the fact the playing field was equal, although I suspect it will favour the better teams more, it will also have an effect on the race as well won't it, as the slower teams will have more faster tyres available.
 
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The issue with the direction of car build suiting a driver is a misunderstood one.
We disagree on this as well, the designer will design the fastest car they know how to design, but then once the driver has sat in the seat he will ask for it to do X, the designer will then make it do it, if the No2 wants it to do Y instead he will be ignored.
 

Drago

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That's exactly my point. Verstappen has had formal schooling in engineering so knows exactly what needs doing to give him the car he prefers. Max can talk in degrees and millimeters, the moment of inertia, and all the rest of it.

Perez has not. He does not have the engineering language, if you will, to communicate with designers and design engineers the way Max does. He can only talk of feelings, impressions and behaviour.

It's that simple. And guess who gets the car they prefer as a consequence?

And it shows not just during development, but also when setting up as well.

Max will ask for more camber.

Perez will say its understeering a bit at low speed, please fix it.

Guess who usually gets their car set up not only quicker, but more effectively?

There a lot more to it than simply being a top wheelman. Seat of the pants only gets you so far.
 
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Drago

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A much needed podium for Perez. Nevertheless, Ricciardo has done an outstanding job by bringing that old crate home 2 places ahead of Tsunoda, so the pressure remains on Perez to keep doing the same. Of course he won't, he'll continue to be mediocre with flashes of occasional excellence and that won't be enough.

Top work from Max who is on another plance of existence compared to the rest and has now take the consecutive win record, and brilliant driving from Norris, who exhibited excellent raceraft and solid tyre management. Would love to see Norris in a top flight car.
 
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That's exactly my point. Verstappen has had formal schooling in engineering so knows exactly what needs doing to give him the car he prefers. Max can talk in degrees and millimeters, the moment of inertia, and all the rest of it.
Whether can or cannot is a totally pink elephant, he is the Golden child, if he wants it he will get it, the other driver will only get it IF it also benefits Verstappen, all the money goes his way.
 

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Top work from Max who is on another plance of existence compared to the rest
Well - has a car significantly faster than the rest. See Perez for details.

Would love to see Norris in a top flight car.
He came third. second. That makes his car a top flight car. The McLaren is currently the best on the field outside of Red Bull. The Merc has flashes of brilliance, the Aston has flashes of brilliance and the Ferrari is going backwards. It was obvious from the off that the Merc was nowhere near the Red Bull. The only interesting bit was near the end - it seems to work very well on a light fuel load but badly on a heavy one. But for all the pace of the McLaren they still finished 30 seconds behind Verstappen, and Perez overhauled them fairly easily until his tyres ran out.
 
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classic33

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Well - has a car significantly faster than the rest. See Perez for details.


He came third. That makes his car a top flight car. The McLaren is currently the best on the field outside of Red Bull. The Merc has flashes of brilliance, the Aston has flashes of brilliance and the Ferrari is going backwards. It was obvious from the off that the Merc was nowhere near the Red Bull. The only interesting bit was near the end - it seems to work very well on a light fuel load but badly on a heavy one. But for all the pace of the McLaren they still finished 30 seconds behind Verstappen, and Perez overhauled them fairly easily until his tyres ran out.
Second!
 

Drago

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Whether can or cannot is a totally pink elephant, he is the Golden child, if he wants it he will get it, the other driver will only get it IF it also benefits Verstappen, all the money goes his way.

They could do anything they wanted for Perez and he won't break records or win championships. People need to get over it.

Verstappen gets spoiled rotten because he performs. Period. He gets the rewards because he performed from the word go, and very quickly got himself promoted to the big team in the first half of his first season, and performed qell enouhnti make it stick. Look at the drivers who had the same opportunity and blew it, Albon, Kyvyat, Ghastly...

You've seen what RB do to drivers that don't perform, they don't get hugged and spoiled rotten through the bad times. Max could bring about world peace and cure cancer this season , but if he has a 2024 season like Hamilton did last year he'd have been at serious risk if 2025 didn't bring about a significant upturn.

If Perez wants some of that he needs to start earning it. The excuses his fans trot out on his behalf are so laughable even Perez himself doesn't use them.
 
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They could do anything they wanted for Perez and he won't break records or win championships. People need to get over it.

Verstappen gets spoiled rotten because he performs. Period. He gets the rewards because he performed from the word go, and very quickly got himself promoted to the big team in the first half of his first season, and performed qell enouhnti make it stick. Look at the drivers who had the same opportunity and blew it, Albon, Kyvyat, Ghastly...

You've seen what RB do to drivers that don't perform, they don't get hugged and spoiled rotten through the bad times. Max could bring about world peace and cure cancer this season , but if he has a 2024 season like Hamilton did last year he'd have been at serious risk if 2025 didn't bring about a significant upturn.

If Perez wants some of that he needs to start earning it. The excuses his fans trot out on his behalf are so laughable even Perez himself doesn't use them.

I take it you don't like Perez
 
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