More than 32,000 people have died on British roads in the past 10 years

[Cab]

Why do you come up with this 'irrelevant' statement all the time.

In this thread? Because I'm answering you B)

Really, if you were to try sticking to the point about the proven fact that 20mph speed limits save lives, I'd have less call to point out that your diversionary side-tracks are irrelevant.

 

[very-near]

Who writes the highway code and how would it be worded? Or are you now advocating a blanket 20mph limit?

See the logic yet Linf?

It would have to be a law passed by parliament along the lines of

Where street lights are present, the limit is 30mph unless otherwise stated. If vehicles parked at the side of the road reduce visiblity, then a 20mph limit is applicable in that place.

How about that

 

[very-near]

In this thread? Because I'm answering you B)

Really, if you were to try sticking to the point about the proven fact that 20mph speed limits save lives, I'd have less call to point out that your diversionary side-tracks are irrelevant.

Your plan is all well and done, but the existing limits are already being ignored.
How many lives do you think it will save anyway given 70% of fatalities are occupants of cars themselves,and another 20% are motorcyclists.

Do the maths and come back with a convincing argument

 

[Cab]

Your plan is all well and done, but the existing limits are already being ignored.
How many lives do you think it will save anyway given 70% of fatalities are occupants of cars themselves,and another 20% are motorcyclists.

Do the maths and come back with a convincing argument

When 20mph limits have been trialled, there has been a reduction in the number of people killed on the roads. You don't need to theorise, its a proven fact.

Why do you oppose that?

 

[very-near]

When 20mph limits have been trialled, there has been a reduction in the number of people killed on the roads. You don't need to theorise, its a proven fact.

Why do you oppose that?

Can you provide a link to the trials and also provide some hard numbers as to the before and after for all users at risk ?

 

[Rhythm Thief]

Can you provide a link to the trials and also provide some hard numbers as to the before and after for all users at risk ?

Why would he? When people do provide evidence, you've shown time and time again that you don't bother to read it.

 

[very-near]

Not bad. You think it would be fair in every situation you can think of?

I think it would work, and along the lines of what is being taught in driving schools now as best practice. We can never hope to eliminate accidents from the road, but a common sense approach would build on the already very good record we enjoy in the UK given the volumes of traffic on the roads each day.

 

[Cab]

Can you provide a link to the trials and also provide some hard numbers as to the before and after for all users at risk ?

Already provided in this thread.

 

[very-near]

Why would he? When people do provide evidence, you've shown time and time again that you don't bother to read it.

Because he is trying to force his opinion onto mine. I think in fairness, I should be able to read the trials he has based his standpoint on to see if they have merit.

 

[very-near]

Already provided in this thread.

This thread has been merged with another one. A link if you will please ?

 

[Cab]

This thread has been merged with another one. A link if you will please ?

Its so very hard to make this any simpler for you. The data you are requesting has already been linked to in this thread; go fish.

 

[very-near]

Its so very hard to make this any simpler for you. The data you are requesting has already been linked to in this thread; go fish.

Can I remind you that 'you' are the one trying to prove something here I'm the one who needs convincing

 

[joolsybools]

God are you lot still bitching at each other!

 

[very-near]

I've no doubt it would work in the scenario you describe. However the point is, if a 20 mph is proven to reduce accidents in all 30mph areas (which it is), then why stop there?

We could say the same for all roads though. I don't want to get into a circular argument with you again, but limits are set differently to allow journey times to be kept down to a reasonable level. If we added on 50% journey time for each trip, then there is a real risk that other factirs like driver fatigue would come into play. I think it safer to have an alert driver doing 30mph than a half asleep one doing 20mph - don't you ?

 

[theclaud]

I don't want to get into a circular argument with you again

I don't believe that for a minute .