More than 32,000 people have died on British roads in the past 10 years

[dellzeqq]

33 deaths in Hertfordshire. Just under one sixth of the number of deaths in London with about one eighth of the population. Rural roads again.

 

[dellzeqq]

blimey! 60 deaths in Cambridgeshire of which 41 are male. Population of Cambridgeshire less than one sixth of London, yet the deathrate is three tenths. Rural roads again. Speed kills.

 

[very-near]

the BHS campaign is not to change the law, but to see it applied. Doh!!!!

I don't quite follow you on this one. Are you suggesting that prosecutions are being attempted for cyclists using bridlepaths as this would clearly not go anywhere, or that cyclists are ignoring the law regarding giving way to horses and pedestrians on them ?

 

[very-near]

Percepton of safe speed to travel is based on speed limit and other factors; typically reducing speed limit reduces the rate people travel, if not to the limit, it still slows traffic down.

The other factors are ????


experience perhaps!

 

[dellzeqq]

holy moly. 78 deaths in Sussex of which 61 were male. That's well over a third of the London figure with between one seventh and one sixth of the population. Rural roads again. Including a young woman cyclist dragged under a car going left across her. Why might that be?

 

[Cab]

The other factors are ????

Irrelevent to the matter at hand; we've got a proven mechanism to make road travel safer with practically no cost and at with a beneficial impact on congestion. There is no down side. Why do you object?

 

[very-near]

Irrelevent to the matter at hand; we've got a proven mechanism to make road travel safer with practically no cost and at with a beneficial impact on congestion. There is no down side. Why do you object?

Why do you come up with this 'irrelevant' statement all the time. You stated that they also work but refuse to name them.

We know that experience is has a very great effect on the stats because we have data to prove this from the government (which I posted the other week). Insurance companies also carry the risk and load the premiums of inexperienced drivers or ones with bad track records. This is why a 17 year old lad can be quoted £4,000 PA to insure a car, and I with loads of experienvce and a clean license by comparison get charged about £150 PA for the same car.

 

[very-near]

Fair dos.

Are you going to take Norm up on his offer? There is a private course near Marlborough I've use on a farm as well if you are inclined

 

[dellzeqq]

who is to assess the need? The local population? The police? The highways department of the local council? Or some supremely gifted being able to determine these things without the hindrance of evidence?

 

[very-near]

If I may be so indulgant may I state the points of view as far as I see them...

Linford is arguing that a reduction in speed limit to 20mph is fair enough, but must be properly assessed and limited to only those areas that really need them.

Cab is also arguing that a reduction in speed limit to 20mph is fair enough but the stats show that a blanket reduction in all areas from 30mph to 20mph will improve KSI's.

Not that much between the two really - but is that a fair summary?

From where I'm standing it is. I'd say anywhere there is a narrow road with cars parked should have this in place or even a change in the law to reflect this - EG, compulsory reduction from 30 to 20 where parked cars are present limiting driver visiblity in residential roads. When I was in the states in the summer, there were signs stating 'speed cameras operating', 'penalty double if workmen present'. It certainly did the trick and no one abused it from what I saw.

 

[very-near]

Yus, I know. Why do you think that you are superior to others by carrying the most basic of knowledge that you don't realise everyone else already has?


Read it. Waste of time. Knew it all anyway.


I'm not arguing it, silly.

There are many roads I'd not want to hack a horse down (any dual carriageway) but this shouldn't mean that all road work is off limits due to inconsiderate drivers.
Anyway, I'm glad you are aware of and respect the vulnerability of horseriders as there are many who don't

 

[very-near]

K Fair do's. Seems a reasonable angle to take, who has the discretionary authority though? And do you trust them?

It would require a change in the law, but would be fairly easy to prove if it were abused as the first thing done is the police are called who get the tape measure out etc, and no more difficult to implement than the more punitive approch. It would be an easier pill to swallow IMO

 

[Norm]

Is it beyond sight, earshot and smell of any footpaths, canals, bridleways, BOATS or any other publics right of way whatsover?

Then if so, you're on.

However, this is Britain, so I doubt it.

Earshot and smell certainly, sight-lines run for many miles up that way, though, so I couldn't guarantee that. The shotguns and rampant packs of hounds do tend to keep the peds at bay, though!

 

[very-near]

Is it beyond sight, earshot and smell of any footpaths, canals, bridleways, BOATS or any other publics right of way whatsover?

Then if so, you're on.

However, this is Britain, so I doubt it.

A canal bisects the farm, but so does a road (and it is a working farm so you get machinery chugging around it all the time). It is 600 acres in size so the likilihood (sp) of you being disturbed by any cars are slim as most of the courses are in woodland and naturally insulated by the foliage

 

[very-near]

I see what your saying but you didnt quite answer the quesion. Who re-sets the speed limits back down to 20mph? I'll give you some possibilities...

The police, the local residents, the Local Authotity (if so which dept), the local Advanced Motorists Group?



Edit: Apols to DZ., I realise Ive just duplicated his post (#184).

Stick it in the highway code then there is no ambiguity.