More than 32,000 people have died on British roads in the past 10 years

[just jim]

Are you suggesting that horses shouldn't be allowed on the public highway in case an inconsiderate cyclist comes the other way baring his teeth and puffing and blowing like a steam train ?

Don't forget the beard. The beard.

 

[very-near]

Don't forget the beard. The beard.

Aye, he was a real weird beard - I could swear he was chewing on the Muesli and Tofu stuck in it as he rode past

 

[very-near]

SPD Sandals* as well presumably?


* Made of hemp 1

1 organic hemp naturally 2

2 grown by Mongolian disabled lesbian leprauchauns 3

4 who read the Guardian 5

5 and drink their own piss

Bloody hell Smeggers, you've met him as well. He gets around a bit doesn't he

 

[very-near]

<sigh>

20mph limits are proven to reduce KSIs on the road.

If people are already ignoring the 30mph and 40mph limits and adding to the stats, can you provide evidence that they will be any more inclined to obey the 20mph limits any more than any of the existing limits currently in force ?

 

[very-near]

No.

I'm not tolerant of dangerous road users, no. Or idiots who ignore proven facts and argue against measures which we know will improve road safety.


I know exactly how to behave around horses on the road linfy. Thanks for the link, but there's really no need.

I'm sorry, but your previous posts indicate otherwise, so I really would urge you to read it. You could save someones life one day armed with that knowledge and knowing how keen you are on road safety, would make you a total idiot not to prime yourself for the eventuality.

 

[Beniroscoe]

<sigh>

20mph limits are proven to reduce KSIs on the road.

Totally irrelevant response

 

[dellzeqq]

as far as bridleways are concerned the BHF supports greater access for cyclists. They've no political reason to do so, but they're not impressed by the kind of anecdotal 'evidence' advanced by...........

 

[very-near]

Nothing in that posts suggests that I don't know how to behave on the road around horses. You suggesting otherwise doesn't change anything at all.

All I did in that post is to suggest that it could very easily be argued that you allowing your daughter to ride a horse on a track that you know cyclists are allowed to and do use, and knowing that the horse is easily spooked by cyclists and that this could put your daughter at risk, was irresponsible.

See, if you were really that concerned at the risk of your daughter becoming injured by a panicking horse then there was one way of removing this risk completely which was entirely in your control. I've never suggested that the horse and rider shouldn't be there, but that if you're going to blame someone for the incident then you're the one with most control over it.

But that's another diversion from the thread which you'll welcome and jump on with glee, because it allows you to get away from trying to argue against the proven and also because you think it enables you to wow the audience with your in-depth knowledge of horses that no-one else knows -that they can be unpredictable and scare easily.

So, back to the subject at hand...

Where you theory falls down is that all horses are capable of being spooked by inconsiderate people. That is why you as a responsible road user should behave in a manner which will not cause them to be alarmed to the point that they would ignore the instructions of their handlers.
It is all in that website I gave you the link to. Additionally to this, whilst on a bridleway, you as a cyclist have by law to 'give way' to a horse rider. The law is quite explicit as to the reasons why this is neccessary and is an indication that this is the way one should behave around horses on the road. Instructions are also i the highway code.

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Horse riders and horse-drawn vehicles. Be particularly careful of horse riders and horse-drawn vehicles especially when overtaking. Always pass wide and slowly. Horse riders are often children, so take extra care and remember riders may ride in double file when escorting a young or inexperienced horse or rider. Look out for horse riders’ and horse drivers’ signals and heed a request to slow down or stop. Take great care and treat all horses as a potential hazard; they can be unpredictable, despite the efforts of their rider/driver.

We know that my daughters horse doesn't have a problem in general with consideerate cyclists because I have stateed that I was following them on my MTB. This would indicate to any sensible person that it was indeed this particular cyclist who was on this occasion ignoring the rules of the road.

I would once again urge you to read up on this subject to prevent an accident caused through ignorance MrP. I'd not want to brandyou a danger to other road users because of this !

You wouldn't argue this if it were a child on the road, you would say that the vehicles should slow down to 20mph or lower as it is proven to reduce the KSI's wouldn't you and as she was a child at the time, the same rule applies as stated in the highway code posted above

 

[dellzeqq]

Oh, and I'm waiting for you to provide evidence that cyclists kill enough horses and riders to warrant your campaign to remove them from bridleways .......

at the same time that the BHS (membership 100,000) is trying to persuade DEFRA that they should be allowed on bridleways.

 

[very-near]

at the same time that the BHS (membership 100,000) is trying to persuade DEFRA that they should be allowed on bridleways.

If you had even a rudimentary understanding of this subject, you would realise that cyclist to have the right to use bridleways, but have by law to give way to pedestrians and horseriders.

 

[dellzeqq]

I've just looked at the figures and the map for Wiltshire. 40 deaths, of which 28 were male. What might the explanation for this be? That's a fifth of the figure for London on about one fourteenth of the population - and in the county which (I'm guessing here) has the newest cars. And, once again, the fatalities are out of town, although not as high a proportion are on A-roads.

 

[dellzeqq]

Essex - 73 deaths, of which 54 were male. Population less than one sixth of London, but over a third of the number of deaths. Why is that?

 

[dellzeqq]

the BHS campaign is not to change the law, but to see it applied. Doh!!!!

 

[very-near]

Linf. Just out of interest, when 4x4ing do you have to give way to other 'green lane' users?

Nowt malicious - just curious.

THe lanes by their nature are usually fairly narrow. If this is the case and a walker/walkers or cyclists are coming the other way, If possible I will move over as far as is safe to do so and then stop until they pass. If I see a horserider, I will do the same, but will kill the engine until they are past if they show any signs of nervousness. If the ground is soft and already rutted which would make this difficult. I would just stop and allow them to work their way around the car in their own way.

Straight question = straight answer. No one goes laning to look for confrontation.

 

[Cab]

Many of these accidents happen because people are speeding, why would someone be more inclined to keep to 20 if the already ignore 30 or 40?

Percepton of safe speed to travel is based on speed limit and other factors; typically reducing speed limit reduces the rate people travel, if not to the limit, it still slows traffic down.