Has your helmet saved your life poll

[srw]

Remember the outcry when they wanted to make seat belts mandatory? A lack of evidence they said. We should have the right to make up our own minds. The difference is people like you think you can actually change the outcome.
Jeez, hard work you are.

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Anyone like to guess who posted this (counts on fingers) 16 pages ago?

Haha, no amount of evidence, rider experience of even random opinion would have even the slightest bearing on some of you. That's fair enough. It's your decision!

The fact that the same people keep posting on these debates suggests they would like to impose their views on others.

It couldn't be someone who's strenuously been trying not to argue for 16 pages, could it?

 

[david k]

Sorry, I really can't explain this any better than I have tried, and clearly failed, already.

You said "When people seek to translate that into government policy on th other hand that is another matter entirely."

When he didnt mention Government policy, seemed odd for you to therefore bring it up, it wasnt under question or even referred too, yet you answer every question with the suggestion it was inferred

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

I quite like Norm. Just for the record.

I like Norm too. JFTR.

Shocking. Could never tell. The rebuttal squad are a tight unit.

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

That reply has nothing at all to do with the actual question asked....



Are you unequivocally stating that this is only true for cycling?

Are you denying that a pedestrian falling would not derive the same benefit?

And round and round we go................

Does a pedestrian possess the ability to travel at the speeds of a bicycle??

 

[david k]

so just because they don't and suffer the consequences your saying cyclists, parachutists, soldiers in war zones, mountain climbers, pot hollers, motorcyclists and all the others that do , shouldn't ?
is that the basis of your argument, because one group don't -and take quite high casualties - all the others shouldn't either - are you French?

Because two wrongs make a right maybe?

 

[ufkacbln]

And round and round we go................

Does a pedestrian possess the ability to travel at the speeds of a bicycle??

You are aware that helmets become less effective as speed increases.......so the real question is whether a cyclist can travel at the speed of a pedestrian?

That way we would get a true comparison and be able to fully explore your point.

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

Are you unequivocally stating that this is only true for cycling?

Are you denying that a pedestrian falling would not derive the same benefit?[/quote]

well of course he would, of course a helmet would help pedestrians if they fall over - in icy conditions it would be sensible to put a cycle helmet on.
old and infirm, unsteady - good idea. - after all its not less dangerous than falling off a horse and they generally wear helmets, or more dangerous (being a pedestrian) than caving - they wear helmets or parachuting- all statistically safer than walking around.

so of course they should wear helmets.

so just because they don't and suffer the consequences your saying cyclists, parachutists, soldiers in war zones, mountain climbers, pot hollers, motorcyclists and all the others that do , shouldn't ?

is that the basis of your argument, because one group don't -and take quite high casualties - all the others shouldn't either - are you French?

No he is just a broken record. A special kind of sponge this bunch as in they only soak up the information that suits their argument.

 

[srw]

And round and round we go................

Does a pedestrian possess the ability to travel at the speeds of a bicycle??

You must have spent quite a lot of time arguing round in circles over the last few days. If you'd spent just as long reading some of the material on the website you referenced - http://cyclehelmets.org - you'd have discovered that the cycle helmet might not be quite as effective at cycling speeds as you might think.

 

[mickle]

Because it messes their hair? I mean really are you going to answer the question for everyone? Wow.

Those of us who are arguing with you on this thread. Cyclists, some of us very experienced and knowledgeable. Id guess that most of us have worn helmets at some point. Why do you think we changed our minds about them? I'm starting to think that you simply don't understand the argument.

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

The statement in question did not mention risk....




It is now a simple case of exploring why this benefit should be limited to cyclists.......

I don't care if it's limited to cyclists or not. I am only talking about cyclists. Why you feel the need to constantly compare it to any other situation doesn't change the question. Can a cycle helmet help possible head injuries?? We can start one about peds in another thread if you would like?? Though that would be best served in another forum that doesn't have "cycle" in its title.

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

Anyone like to guess who posted this (counts on fingers) 16 pages ago?

It couldn't be someone who's strenuously been trying not to argue for 16 pages, could it?

Anyone like to guess who posted this (counts on fingers) 16 pages ago?

It couldn't be someone who's strenuously been trying not to argue for 16 pages, could it?

I go away and come back to over 20 alerts. yeh i think others are frequenting this page more than me. But yeh its been two days on here. A lifetime.

 

[mickle]

And round and round we go................

Does a pedestrian possess the ability to travel at the speeds of a bicycle??

Oh for fark's sake.

A pedestrian possesses the ability to be hit by a car travelling at the same speed as one which hits a cyclist.

Can you really be this hard of thinking?

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

You are aware that helmets become less effective as speed increases.......so the real question is whether a cyclist can travel at the speed of a pedestrian?

That way we would get a true comparison and be able to fully explore your point.

The real question because you don't want to answer mine? I am very aware of the claims made regarding cycling helmets and the effect increased speed may have. What you read did it say "cycle helmets are no use whatsoever after 20 mph??" Just curious as you don't see the average ped going along at 20mph+.

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

Oh for f***'s sake.

A pedestrian possesses the ability to be hit by a car travelling at the same speed as one which hits a cyclist.

Can you really be this hard of thinking?

Does a ped have the ability to fall over on his own accord at the same speed as a cyclist?? Are you this hard of thinking??
Here is the problem with your whole agenda. You manipulate the scenario to suit your argument.

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

Those of us who are arguing with you on this thread. Cyclists, some of us very experienced and knowledgeable. Id guess that most of us have worn helmets at some point. Why do you think we changed our minds about them? I'm starting to think that you simply don't understand the argument.

Experience and knowledge. A wee bit old fashioned don't you think?? The reasons you are arguing are twofold. Firstly you are obviously an argumentative bunch. A beady eye could spot that if they were to have a look at your recent activities.
Secondly you are simply trying to justify not wearing a helmet.

Why should i have to justify wearing one?