Drago's murder deathkill slaughter massacre panic petrol buying watch!!!

[Reynard]

Even if you had put oil in the two stroke fuel, you could probably still lob it in a car tank if there are a few gallons of petrol already in there. A 50:1 chainsaw mix will end up being heavily diluted. Outboard motor owners do it all the time.

Portable smokescreen is a bonus, I suppose...

 

[slowmotion]

Portable smokescreen is a bonus, I suppose...

They got the idea from an early Bond movie.

 

[Drago]

Hmm... My last encounter with "vegetable chips" did not go well...

I tried them once. Tasted like Lucifer himself had gone for a Forest Gump on my tongue.

 

[theclaud]

My view is the problem is most acute in the London and surrounding areas is because, to generalise, the population in that area of the country is even more firmly welded to the motor car than the rest of us.

You'd be wrong. 1.2 cars per adult across the UK, 0.74 in London. Car use falling in London, growing across the UK, especially in the North East.

 

[Pale Rider]

You'd be wrong. 1.2 cars per adult across the UK, 0.74 in London. Car use falling in London, growing across the UK, especially in the North East.

Good luck with trying to convince anyone that traffic in London is not among the heaviest in the country.

Perhaps my observation of using the Chelsea tractor to cross the road has some merit.

I recall the residents of North End Road in Fulham complaining of the traffic, claiming lots of drivers were using it go from Wales to Dover and other long journeys.

A traffic survey found 90% plus of the journeys were local.

Similarly, a friend of mine lived in Cheam in Surrey.

The locals complained of drivers hammering through their district on their way to the south and south west.

The police mounted a speeding operation and published the results - the overwhelming majority of the speeders had addresses within the borough.

 

[theclaud]

Good luck with trying to convince anyone that traffic in London is not among the heaviest in the country.

Perhaps my observation of using the Chelsea tractor to cross the road has some merit.

I recall the residents of North End Road in Fulham complaining of the traffic, claiming lots of drivers were using it go from Wales to Dover and other long journeys.

A traffic survey found 90% plus of the journeys were local.

Similarly, a friend of mine lived in Cheam in Surrey.

The locals complained of drivers hammering through their district on their way to the south and south west.

The police mounted a speeding operation and published the results - the overwhelming majority of the speeders had addresses within the borough.

Waffle around the point as much as you like. 45% of households in London have no car. In the rest of England it's 20%. Londoners are much less 'welded to their cars' than everyone else - which is the opposite of what you claimed.

 

[Pale Rider]

Waffle around the point as much as you like. 45% of households in London have no car. In the rest of England it's 20%. Londoners are much less 'welded to their cars' than everyone else - which is the opposite of what you claimed.

Your figures take no account of frequency of car use.

There is still a great deal of demand to drive in central London, despite the various charge and emission zones.

The M25/M4 is one of the busiest motorway areas in the country.

But you stick with your fixed view, as you always do.

 

[Andy in Germany]

Good luck with trying to convince anyone that traffic in London is not among the heaviest in the country.

Perhaps my observation of using the Chelsea tractor to cross the road has some merit.

I recall the residents of North End Road in Fulham complaining of the traffic, claiming lots of drivers were using it go from Wales to Dover and other long journeys.

A traffic survey found 90% plus of the journeys were local.

Similarly, a friend of mine lived in Cheam in Surrey.

The locals complained of drivers hammering through their district on their way to the south and south west.

The police mounted a speeding operation and published the results - the overwhelming majority of the speeders had addresses within the borough.

We got that in our village where the complaint was commuters and trucks going to Stuttgart from the Autobahn

It turned out that there was 1 truck for every ten cars, and between 5-8 of those cars were from the village. When the shops closed the road was empty.

 

[theclaud]

Your figures take no account of frequency of car use.

There is still a great deal of demand to drive in central London, despite the various charge and emission zones.

The M25/M4 is one of the busiest motorway areas in the country.

But you stick with your fixed view, as you always do.

LOL they're not my figures, they're the DFT's. But I'm enjoying watching you shift goalposts around. There are too many cars and too many car journeys everywhere, including London. As everywhere else, drivers and their driving make everything worse for everyone else. However your main contention was the opposite of the truth.

 

[Pale Rider]

LOL they're not my figures, they're the DFT's. But I'm enjoying watching you shift goalposts around. There are too many cars and too many car journeys everywhere, including London. As everywhere else, drivers and their driving make everything worse for everyone else. However your main contention was the opposite of the truth.

No shift from me.

The shortages being most acute in London are probably due to increased car use in comparison to elsewhere in the country.

Do you honestly think car use in London is in any way comparable to use in Swansea or Sunderland?

Traffic has increased since I moved here, but a jam is still a rarity, unlike London where jams are the norm - unless it's changed a great deal.

 

[fossyant]

Waffle around the point as much as you like. 45% of households in London have no car. In the rest of England it's 20%. Londoners are much less 'welded to their cars' than everyone else - which is the opposite of what you claimed.

London also has much better public transport systems than the rest of the country, which will be a major factor.

No fuel shortages up here, all back to normal.

 

[Electric_Andy]

Also worth noting that if 50% of Londoners have cars, but 70% of Plymothians have cars, the gross number of cars will still be much higher in London. You're comparing (in my example) a population of 9Million versus 240,000. And the roads are not 37 times wider in London to compensate for that

 

[Drago]

I'm told things are largely normal here in Poshshire. Even the local chipwrapper has stopped the alarmist rhetoric and moved on.

 

[Dogtrousers]

No shift from me.

The shortages being most acute in London are probably due to increased car use in comparison to elsewhere in the country.

Do you honestly think car use in London is in any way comparable to use in Swansea or Sunderland?

Traffic has increased since I moved here, but a jam is still a rarity, unlike London where jams are the norm - unless it's changed a great deal.

Not what you said before. You said something about Londoners being more wedded to their cars than elsewhere in the country.

Of course the roads are jammed in London, that's because there are a very large number of people in London, and even though cars are owned and used less per capita than elsewhere in the country, there's still more demand for roadspace than there is available roads. But if Londoners tried to use cars at the level of other regions it would be permanent gridlock. The lower use of cars in London is largely due to the fact that there is a better public transport infrastructure than elsewhere. And that's pretty busy too. Because there are a lot of people.

As to why the fuel shortage is more acute in the SE than elsewhere - I have no real idea, but I suspect it's related to the fact that there are a lot of people in London.

I took my car out of the garage at the weekend. And then put it back in. Total journey of a few metres. Still have half a tank.

 

[Pale Rider]

Not what you said before. You said something about Londoners being more wedded to their cars than elsewhere in the country.

What of the Chelsea tractor phenomenon?

I reckon it is prevalent in London and surrounding areas, but only occurs in isolated pockets elsewhere.

That's what I meant by Londoners being welded to their cars, although as I said, it's a matter of degree.