Drago's murder deathkill slaughter massacre panic petrol buying watch!!!

[Drago]

Really? just turn on your tv or look at the newspapers and then have a look through the 59 pages of this thread. I`m not going to do the work for you!

Or if wading through 59 pages of discussion smacks of effort then simp,y log onto the Daily Mail and Daily Express websites and read the first petrol related story you come to.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

Or if wading through 59 pages of discussion smacks of effort then simp,y log onto the Daily Mail and Daily Express websites and read the first petrol related story you come to.

Surely the DE will be citing it as proof that the end of the world is about to happen
probably connected to the volcano in La Palma - which is Spanish so clearly the EU is to blame

 

[Drago]

Although chatting to my Dad on the blower earlier, hes just come back from a business jolly to France and Belgium...Begium are short of drivers too. Not nearly as many as here, but their population is less than 1/6th that of the UK, so pro rata they're actually shorter than we are.

It never affected him directly as he wasn't driving and was hotelling it the whole way, but their news is full of detail about their own 'fuel crisis'and allegedly empty supermarket shelves. It seems that despite their lofty editorial claims Le Soir is ultimately just as bad as the Mail over here for fanning the flames of panic buying.

 

[classic33]

Surely the DE will be citing it as proof that the end of the world is about to happen
probably connected to the volcano in La Palma - which is Spanish so clearly the EU is to blame

It may be if it slips into the Atlantic, North America hit by a tsunami within the hour.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

Although chatting to my Dad on the blower earlier, hes just come back from a business jolly to France and Belgium...Begium are short of drivers too. Not nearly as many as here, but their population is less than 1/6th that of the UK, so pro rata they're actually shorter than we are.

It never affected him directly as he wasn't driving and was hotelling it the whole way, but their news is full of detail about their own 'fuel crisis'and allegedly empty supermarket shelves. It seems that despite their lofty editorial claims Le Soir is ultimately just as bad as the Mail over here for fanning the flames of panic buying.

So - if their press are anything like ours - then tomorrow's headlines will be something like
"Brits steal and bribe all our lorry drivers to solve problems caused by Brexit"

although shorter and in French or whatever
and better written

 

[Drago]

Well, its never any governments own fault, eh?

(Political observation, yes, but before the usual suspects moan its a deliberately neutral one)

 

[Pale Rider]

Really? just turn on your tv or look at the newspapers and then have a look through the 59 pages of this thread. I`m not going to do the work for you!

In other words, you cannot point to any stories which have grievously misled you.

but these are real events that the media themselves have had a very large hand in bringing about.

The media has not panic bought any fuel.

The stories I've read have carried quotes from people in the retail trade or government advising people there is no need to panic.

Censoring the story opens a huge can of worms, and in any event is impossible in today's overall media landscape.

From what I can gather, what started the ball rolling was a proactive statement from BP, so all those so keen to shoot the messenger need to add BP to their target list.

It's also interesting that all those who are keen to blame publicity for the shortages are also more than happy to post about the shortages on a public forum.

There's a whiff of hypocrisy about that, or at the very least muddle headed thinking.

 

[Drago]

Ive just explained the mechanism by which the Mail are helping to facilitate - inadvertently or otherwise - the rise in pump fuel prices over the next week, and you've ignored it.

If you believe that the entirety of the media is doing nothing more than meekly, concisely, neutrally and without agenda, simply reporting events as they happen then then thats your right.

Its also the right of the rest of us to not believe that, so we'll agree to differ there.

 

[Pale Rider]

Ive just explained the mechanism bu which the Mailmare helping to facilitate - inadvertently or otherwise - the isemin pump fuel over the next week, and you've ignored it.

I can't take the notion the Mail has the power to alter oil prices with any seriousness.

As a general point, many people, especially if they know what I do for a living, are keen to tell me the papers are full of shite.

Yet those same people, when it suits, are quick to slag off the press for their misuse of power.

Something not quite right there, but I'll leave others to figure it out.

 

[Drago]

I can't take the notion the Mail has the power to alter oil prices with any seriousness.

Just as well, because no one has suggested that.

The retail price of pump fuel was the matter under discussion. Perhaps the reason you don't take it seriously is that you have not been following the discussion properly?

Either way, we'l know within a few days. The price of oil has not risen, and neither has the price of refining and distribution. So when the price rises, which it is already starting to do, it must be for another reason. Perhaps you know what it might be if it isn't the media driven rise in demand?

Do you have a credible alternative explanation? That would be rather more satisfactory than simply denying the matter at hand.

The suggestion that the media do not affect events is an odd one in a country with laws to prevent them doing exactly that, for example, resteictions on reporting during voting. Why the need for such laws if the media have no such influence? Certainly you remain in a minority nationally if you do not believe that the media is at leadt partly responsible...

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2021-09-29/was-the-media-to-blame-for-the-fuel-panic-buying-crisis

Even in the most simplistic sense the media are guilty. Without reporting no one would have known, and no person would gave any motivation to panic buy. The matter at hand is rather more complex, but that is the fundamental, bottom-line truth - the public respond to matters placed before them by the media.

 

[Pale Rider]

The matter at hand is rather more complex, but that is the fundamental, bottom-line truth - the public respond to matters placed before them by the media.

Yes, the public do respond to things they read in the media, but these days that media is just as likely to be twatbook or, heaven forbid, a thread on a cycling forum.

So complaints of reporting causing panic buying should at least include social media, but they routinely don't purely because those doing the complaining would be complaining about themselves.

I've not seen the Mail's story, but if they are taking a punt on forecasting price rises it's not much of a risky bet or outlandish story given that, as you say, there have been reports of rises already.

 

[newfhouse]

neither has the price of … distribution

Distribution costs have risen because of the acknowledged shortage of qualified drivers, manifested either as overtime payments or as inducements for returnees.

 

[carpiste]

In other words, you cannot point to any stories which have grievously misled you.



The media has not panic bought any fuel.

The stories I've read have carried quotes from people in the retail trade or government advising people there is no need to panic.

Censoring the story opens a huge can of worms, and in any event is impossible in today's overall media landscape.

From what I can gather, what started the ball rolling was a proactive statement from BP, so all those so keen to shoot the messenger need to add BP to their target list.

It's also interesting that all those who are keen to blame publicity for the shortages are also more than happy to post about the shortages on a public forum.

There's a whiff of hypocrisy about that, or at the very least muddle headed thinking.

Obviously the media, as a whole, have not been out buying up as much fuel as they could, but what they have done is stoked the flames once the panic buying started. To be fair it was more the tv than the tabloids but the media, as a whole, didn`t help whatsoever.
I blame all the numpties for the situation along with the media and the retail trade who without doubt started the whole ball rolling. I have not, I believe, been hypocritical or muddle headed. All I have done is made my opinion public. I don`t believe the shortages are as a result of a lack of fuel or foodstuffs as they continue to say there are no real shortages. No, I think a lot of the issues are as a direct result of underhanded and possibly political influence. But that`s just my opinion.
It is really telling that the only real area where the problem exists is the South and Greater London in particular....which I am thinking is Labour run and are more that happy to try to give the govt. a bloody nose if they can.

 

[newfhouse]

It is really telling that the only real area where the problem exists is the South and Greater London in particular....which I am thinking is Labour run and are more that happy to try to give the govt. a bloody nose if they can.

I can think of seven filling stations within a couple of kilometres of here. All bar one are empty and the remaining one still had a long queue when I cycled past on my way home from work this evening. Do you really think Sadiq Khan is to blame? Or maybe it’s my Tory MP? Or has the People’s Republic of Croydon decided en masse to stick it to the man by overdosing on fossil fuels? I think it’s more likely that demand has temporarily outstripped supply.

I remain loftily unconcerned since my quarter tank should last me another couple of weeks at least.

 

[Pale Rider]

.which I am thinking is Labour run and are more that happy to try to give the govt. a bloody nose if they can.

My view is the problem is most acute in the London and surrounding areas is because, to generalise, the population in that area of the country is even more firmly welded to the motor car than the rest of us.

The phenomenon of the Chelsea tractor, which some drivers use to cross the road rather than walk, is most notable in London and the wealthy commuter belt.

It hardly exists in the North East, although the posh in parts town of Yarm does have a share of professional footballers and their wives.

Another point is high traffic volumes mean even a short queue at a petrol station can cause significant jams in the surrounding area, which would not happen to the same extent elsewhere in the country.