Cut up on Roundabout - partly my fault? (video)

[downfader]

You know.. many drivers dont go around on the RAB.. they just go through or rather over.

I had the same problem last year but I was going around the white orb of death (and lets face it the way they position some of them its hard to move adequately regardless of your vehicle type)

Looking at that clip she looked like the type that blunders through on auto.. she should have given way to traffic proceeding around the roundabout, let alone the right.

...actually.. I know many women who just dont get roundabouts.

 

[hackbike 666]

I just treat them like im doing a right turn,that's if I am going right.

 

[thomas]

yeah, I think from my point of view she shouldn't have gone, no matter where I was on the roundabout as, because like I yell in the video "you give way to the right" and though, not correct, we're all aware that people do cut roundabouts (which I do try to avoid doing).

Not at all.

Don't worry, not annoyed with you view! Thought it'd be nice to get another video fuelled debate going

If you had gone clockwise around the island she might have slammed into you...

@ Origamist: Just wanted to check, do you think that if I had of gone around the roundabout fully it could have been worst (as in I was more in the right than her?)

When I was braking I thought to my self - I'm going to end up over the bonnet, which is mainly why I was yelling so loudly. I'm not keen on that roundabout, I think it's more suited to cars as from the way I'm going they'd have to basically stop to see around the building, where as I can see through the window (and cross my fingers a bit ).

 

[hackbike 666]

I only cut those roundabouts if it's safe to do so.

 

[boydj]

Looks to me like she arrived at the roundabout at pretty much the same time as you - so no clear priority either way. If you had taken the long way round you would have gone round the back of her without having to slow too much. I'm all for being assertive, but mini-roundabouts need extra care on a bike.

 

[lazyfatgit]

I detest mini RAB's as they often seem to be badly positioned, squeezed into whatever bit of space was available.
In this case it looks like its darkening, wet and busy(ish) so I would have gone around.

Lots of drivers just don't get roundabouts, especially when other traffic arrives at the same time. Who gets to go first?

 

[Origamist]

@ Origamist: Just wanted to check, do you think that if I had of gone around the roundabout fully it could have been worst (as in I was more in the right than her?)

When I was braking I thought to my self - I'm going to end up over the bonnet, which is mainly why I was yelling so loudly. I'm not keen on that roundabout, I think it's more suited to cars as from the way I'm going they'd have to basically stop to see around the building, where as I can see through the window (and cross my fingers a bit ).

Thomas, you did not follow the HC which states you must go around the island markings; but then again, she did not cede priority to the right as she should have.

By cutting the RaB you gave yoursellf a bigger safety buffer from oncoming traffic, but the downsides are that the disc in the centre is slippy when wet, she may have been looking further to her right on the approach to the RaB and missed you (assuming she was looking as she approached), and it encourages following vehicles to undertake you. That said, if you had followed the HC you may well have found yourself in a similar predicament.

I sometimes go over RaBs - particularly where the vast majority of traffic does the same.

 

[shunter]

she should have given way to traffic proceeding around the roundabout, let alone the right.

...actually.. I know many women who just dont get roundabouts.

A very important point - the car does not have priority right around the roundabout once they enter even though they have gained priority to enter it. It is possible for a cyclist to enter the roundabout before the car on the junction to his right but not have the speed to avoid that car closing up on him. The car should give him space to proceed around the roundabout at his own speed. On a mini roundabout this is even more important as the distances between junctions are so much less.

 

[redjedi]

I'm not a big fan of these RB either, as it was on one of these that I got knocked off last year.

You may have had right of way, but that is a silly way to take the RB with other traffic around.

From the video it looks as if you both arrived at the RB at the same time, but you assumed that the driver would stop (as they she should have done) and cut across.

I would have gone around the markings correctly and a bit slower. If the driver still decides to drive straight through, you are out of harms way, and you can make eye contact with the next driver to make sure they have seen you are turning.

It may be inconvenient slowing down but not as inconvenient as getting hit by a moving vehicle.

I do cut across a couple of RB like these but only when there are no other vehicles nearby or I'm following traffic.

 

[bonj2]

look at it from her point of view - she was reasonable in expecting you to follow the correct line around the roundabout. Completely your fault imho.

 

[Origamist]

look at it from her point of view - she was reasonable in expecting you to follow the correct line around the roundabout. Completely your fault imho.

And it was reasonable for her to not cede priority? In addition, her line meant she would be going over the disc as well! Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

 

[hulver]

I'd say yes, it's partly your fault. It's not clear who arrived first at the Roundabout. If she was already on the RB when you arrived, then she had priority.

Cutting it off was a poor move in such busy traffic.

 

[Eat MY Dust]

If you had been a driver in a car signaling right I bet you they would have stopped. If you were on the RAB first, which it does look like, AND you had signalled clearly, then I think it's irrelevant whether or not you cut the RAB. A lot of these mini RABs don't have much room on them as they are an after thought to try and keep the flow of traffic moving on busy junctions. There's a fair chance if you had followed the RAB properly that any car behind you would have thought you were going straight on, that itself could cause an incident.

 

[Bollo]

Thomas, you did not follow the HC which states you must go around the island markings;

We've got an example of a mini roundabout near Châteaux Bollo where it is impossible for me to turn right without going over the central markings in my small practical family car. I've tried it on a number of occasions and its become something of a challenge. The closest I've got is to almost turn left and then swing back in to the right, which would confuse the bejesus out of anyone else at the RAB.

Its also a mare to take on the bike for all the reasons mentioned on here.

 

[Origamist]

We've got an example of a mini roundabout near Châteaux Bollo where it is impossible for me to turn right without going over the central markings in my small practical family car. I've tried it on a number of occasions and its become something of a challenge. The closest I've got is to almost turn left and then swing back in to the right, which would confuse the bejesus out of anyone else at the RAB.

Its also a mare to take on the bike for all the reasons mentioned on here.

Yep, there's minis and there's micros (my brain went off in a not entirely unexpected tangent then...). There is a micro RaB near me where it is hard not go over the the disc markings on my bike, let alone a car!