Covid vaccine.

[winjim]

Janssen made some sort of an announcement too I think
UK trial
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54951650

Yep, that's a similar one to AZ except using a human instead of chimp adenovirus as the vector. Pfizer and Moderna are both RNA.

 

[lane]

I get it's better if everyone has it. But if I have it and protect myself that still greatly reduces the likelihood I will suffer severely surely and those that don't have it can take their chances. I will have it as soon as possible.

 

[Notafettler]

Everyone on here seems to be only talking about Pfizer but is ignoring Astrazeneca, which is the vaccine that the UK Gov purchased the most of. Pfizer relies on RNA whilst Astrazeneca took a more traditional approach. The 2 vaccine work in 2 different ways and no one knows who will be getting which vaccine.

I am getting both!

 

[Notafettler]

I get it's better if everyone has it. But if I have it and protect myself that still greatly reduces the likelihood I will suffer severely surely and those that don't have it can take their chances. I will have it as soon as possible.

And we can go to the pub and sit where we want, IF they give us ID that says we aren't dirty plague carriers.

 

[MntnMan62]

Worldometers is showing 252,651 Covid deaths in the US. In 8 1/2 months. That's about 30,000 dead per month. We should easily reach 350,000 deaths by the end of February which would make it a full year from it showing up in the US in the beginning of March. Trump sure has done a great job of valuing the lives of Americans. What exactly has he done again? I forget.

And are supposed to believe that China has only had 86,361 cases and only 4,634 deaths?

 

[lane]

And we can go to the pub and sit where we want, IF they give us ID that says we aren't dirty plague carriers.

They are only definitely giving it to high risk and not decided about anyone else so it is to protect the individual not stop the spread so the whole thing about should everyone have it is not relevant anyway. Like the flu jab.

 

[Accy cyclist]

Matt the tw.. Hancock has that bloody pink tie on ...AGAIN!!🧐



Just wondering would my cousin Maxine have the vaccine if she was still here?🤔

 

[Brandane]

And we can go to the pub and sit where we want, IF they give us ID that says we aren't dirty plague carriers.

That brings to mind another point. Take the vaccine and you protect yourself, obviously; but can you still be a carrier and therefore a spreader? In which case not a lot is going to happen with regards to movement restrictions for a long time yet.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

That brings to mind another point. Take the vaccine and you protect yourself, obviously; but can you still be a carrier and therefore a spreader? In which case not a lot is going to happen with regards to movement restrictions for a long time yet.

It depends on the effect of the vaccine.

But even if the 70% Oxford/AZ pans out, that would reduce deaths by at least 2/3rds, which to my mind is enough to ditch social distancing (takes fatality rate close to a bad flu year, for comparison), though obviously that's a matter of opinion.

And that assumes no herd effect.

Plus all the indications to date seem to be that severe cases are reduced by even more.

 

[fossyant]

A colleague was saying that they knew people who were severely at risk and have been contacted to arrange vaccination at the GP practice, so hopefully that's a little hope for us all. The sooner the better as my wife might be able to visit her mum at last, rather than through a window.

 

[Archie_tect]

Can't help thinking it would be better to immediately vaccinate everyone who's daily job brings them into regular contact with others first to limit the possible spread... ie hospital staff, health workers, teachers, retail, delivery people... then people at risk, then the rest of us.

 

[tom73]

It depends on the effect of the vaccine.

But even if the 70% Oxford/AZ pans out, that would reduce deaths by at least 2/3rds, which to my mind is enough to ditch social distancing (takes fatality rate close to a bad flu year, for comparison), though obviously that's a matter of opinion.

And that assumes no herd effect.

Plus all the indications to date seem to be that severe cases are reduced by even more.

It's also showing good results re asymptomatic transmission. If the dosage is play around a bit the 70% go to 90%.
Given how cheep (around £3 a dose) this oner is and how easy it is to transport and store. Out of all of them this the most scalable, practical and have a ready supply so even at 2/3rds It wont take long (in the grand scheme of things) to get to that level.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

It's also showing good results re asymptomatic transmission. If the dosage is play around a bit the 70% go to 90%.
Given how cheep (around £3 a dose) this oner is and how easy it is to transport and store. Out of all of them this the most scalable, practical and have a ready supply so even at 2/3rds It wont take long (in the grand scheme of things) to get to that level.

Agree. I wouldn't pay much heed to to 90% figure, seems to be based on very small numbers.

 

[tom73]

Agree. I wouldn't pay much heed to to 90% figure, seems to be based on very small numbers.

Yes data is limited more work needed now they know it works focus is likely to move a bit more on dosage. They made sounding around that already.

 

[tom73]

Can't help thinking it would be better to immediately vaccinate everyone who's daily job brings them into regular contact with others first to limit the possible spread... ie hospital staff, health workers, teachers, retail, delivery people... then people at risk, then the rest of us.

Unpaid care givers need to get in a head up in the 1st stage. They have yet to be included than let's talk about who else lives up the list.
Who puts who at risk many everyday work is not simple to work out. Many are not around risk groups long enough to be of any more risk than most of us.