lane
Veteran
Yes that is exactly what they have done. That is the way they get the infection levels each week. However they also provide a confidence interval to give an idea of accuracy. I think this is a well respected methodology.
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Yes that is exactly what they have done. That is the way they get the infection levels each week. However they also provide a confidence interval to give an idea of accuracy. I think this is a well respected methodology.
BoldonLad
Not part of the Elite
- Location
- South Tyneside
hmm.. maybe, but, so far, most of the figures, for infections per day and now this antibodies figure, do not "gel" with my personal experience... perhaps I am just not "typical"?
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kingrollo
Guru
Its numbers game. At the moment the numbers look good, I expect it will come out in the next couple of weeks - that the numbers are inflated by non NHS patient facing staff and on site contractors etc - not by massive amounts. IME not many people are turned away from vaccination centres - I will say no more than that.
lane
Veteran
Quite likely. And don't forget, the number of people you know who you know have had covid will be less than those who have had it due to asymptomatic infection.
I see no reason to doubt the figures on vaccines they are not an estimate.
BoldonLad
Not part of the Elite
- Location
- South Tyneside
Good to know that the NHS is looking after us....
FWIW I completely agree with you that the order of vaccinations can seem confusing.
However, these vaccine batches have been provided to our NHS Trust for the purposes of vaccinating their staff. I had no option to refuse on the basis that someone else 'more deserving' can have mine instead. If I'd not booked an appointment, the slot would have been filled with another employee of the Trust.
The greater risk of non patient-facing staff refusing vaccines at this stage is that they would be wasted. They wouldn't be reallocated.
There are potentially broader arguments to be made around keeping the entire NHS Trust infrastructure operating at as close to full capacity as possible. The clinical element are also somewhat reliant on the Corporate Support Services.
In addition, my partner is an NHS employee in a front line patient-facing role, so albeit fairly tenuous, my vaccination helps to keep front line services operating.
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I disagree. Numbers looked good before this week. Most NHS Trusts like mine have only started offering the vaccine to non patient facing employees this week, or very recently, once the clinical staff have been prioritised.
What experience is that exactly? Vaccination centres are operating strictly by appointment. You cannot just turn up and get jabbed.
Julia9054
Guru
- Location
- Knaresborough
My friend is currently sat in the car at the vaccination centre in York with her father. His appointment was at 11am. It is currently 1.40pm and they are corralled into a holding area. The only food in the car is McD‘s tomato sauce sachets and wet wipes to suck!
Sounds horrendous!
Is this one of the pop-up mass vaccination centres? I imagine that these will operate very differently to internal NHS staff vaccination programmes.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Unless new to England, why no snacks and drinks in the backpack? shoot happens sometimes.
- Location
- Somewhere wet & hilly in NW England.
Ok so not great but I think millions of people would swap places if they could (including me).
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kingrollo
Guru
Like I say my lips are sealed. But feel what you have posted above isn't uniform.
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kingrollo
Guru
Give me your address I will get a Mcdonalds sauce satchet and a wet wipe over to you !
Ajax Bay
Guru
- Location
- East Devon
Assume you mean the JCVI priority list and the criteria used to decide on it.
Please be assured considerable consultation was undertaken to get the definitions of the NHS (plus) workers who should be in Group 2 'right'. And don't be distracted by aberrations of NHS and other people working in hospitals (say) who were pulled in last thing of an evening to just make sure no dose was wasted. There is now very clear direction to have short notice waiting list available to soak up any 'surplus' at the end of each day.
No doubt they are looking at the merits of certain employment groups getting the vaccine before others in their age cohort. But the current policy (and expectation) is that this will be only after Groups 1-9 have been vaccinated.
Besides teachers (but remember the mantra that schools are relatively 'safe' and, relative to others fora, not high in the list of transmission mechanisms) prison officers and police officers have a fair shout, oh and bus drivers and taxi drivers. Perhaps others can flesh out a list and we can try and put them in CycleChat priority order?
From a vulnerability to serious illness and death PoV (and please recall that's the driver informing JCVI's judgement) prioritising/targeting BAME communities and workers would also seem to have considerable merit.
Finally, shouldn't we be prioritising men over women? I can't remember the figures off hand but the threat of this disease to 50-55 year old men is similar to 55-60 year old women. So in Groups 7,8 and 9, move the men up one group (or the women down one). (My answer is 'no' btw: too many disadvantages.
