COVID Vaccine !

[BoldonLad]

I don't see why you are widening the debate. My point was that a number of Tory backbenchers are keen to open up lockdown sooner than the scientific experts think is wise. Of course they are entitled to air there opinions - but to a greater or lesser degree they have been acted upon with massive and avoidable loss of life....not having learnt there lesson are now calling for the same thing. Indeed one was threatening to dethrone the PM if lockdown wasn't eased.

I don’t see the connection between “Corona Virus Vaccine”, and the machinations of some MPs? Unless their machinations are about the vaccine programme. Tory or not.

 

[Ajax Bay]

widening the debate

Off topic. This is not about vaccines. Now, the effective delivery of vaccines (and not just UK but world-wide) is both 'on topic' a dividend of the UK scientific community's expertise (especially the place just across from the Parks) assisted as soon as April by our government's earlyy decision to provide even more funding for the research and development, and the early decision to procure sufficient quantities of vaccine. Credit where credit's due.

 

[tom73]

I don't see why you are widening the debate. My point was that a number of Tory backbenchers are keen to open up lockdown sooner than the scientific experts think is wise. Of course they are entitled to air there opinions - but to a greater or lesser degree they have been acted upon with massive and avoidable loss of life....not having learnt there lesson are now calling for the same thing. Indeed one was threatening to dethrone the PM if lockdown wasn't eased.

A good bit of messaging today was worryingly pointing to government still going on about opening up end of February. They say it will be slowly done but history shows they start slow but soon get bored. If they’d not bottled it 1st time we’d be well away by now.

 

[kingrollo]

Off topic. This is not about vaccines. Now, the effective delivery of vaccines (and not just UK but world-wide) is both 'on topic' a dividend of the UK scientific community's expertise (especially the place just across from the Parks) assisted as soon as April by our government's earlyy decision to provide even more funding for the research and development, and the early decision to procure sufficient quantities of vaccine. Credit where credit's due.

I've really no idea what you are talking about. I would suggest you re read my posts. I have given credit for the vaccination programme going well.

The point you initially took up for debate was that some Tory backbenchers want restrictions lifted early. To wrap this one up perhaps you could clarify whether or not you agree with them ......(a yes or no will suffice)

 

[mjr]

I don’t see the connection between “Corona Virus Vaccine”, and the machinations of some MPs? Unless their machinations are about the vaccine programme. Tory or not.

Some MPs are indeed exploiting the vaccine programme to argue for unlocking earlier than safe for the unvaccinated willing.

 

[BoldonLad]

Some MPs are indeed exploiting the vaccine programme to argue for unlocking earlier than safe for the unvaccinated willing.

Yes, but, then we come to the non-Covid implications, on health, and other aspects of life. But, I interpreted that as being a different topic to this thread.

 

[Ajax Bay]

@kingrollo To be clear, I'm saying discussing the decisions on the response to the pandemic generally, made by those entrusted to make them, influenced by a wide range of interest groups, is off topic: there's another thread for that - so no 'ayes or noes' to that here. I am not suggesting you had (or had not) given credit for the vaccination programme going well. Who did you give credit to: the government? .....(a yes or no will suffice)?

 

[kingrollo]

@kingrollo To be clear, I'm saying discussing the decisions on the response to the pandemic generally, made by those entrusted to make them, influenced by a wide range of interest groups, is off topic: there's another thread for that - so no 'ayes or noes' to that here. I am not suggesting you had (or had not) given credit for the vaccination programme going well. Who did you give credit to: the government? .....(a yes or no will suffice)?

Unlike yourself then

YES.

.....and I thought the mods decided what was on or off topic.

So back to you (2nd time)- do agree with the Tory backbenchers who want to lift lockdown restrictions early ?

(Yes or No)

 

[accountantpete]

The point you initially took up for debate was that some Tory backbenchers want restrictions lifted early.

The key phrase is "backbenchers". With Tory "backbenchers" this is akin to the Labour "backbenchers" Clause IV calls - they know there is no chance of it happening but it helps with their personal "credentials" in the future.

 

[kingrollo]

The key phrase is "backbenchers". With Tory "backbenchers" this is akin to the Labour "backbenchers" Clause IV calls - they know there is no chance of it happening but it helps with their personal "credentials" in the future.

Not so sure Baker was calling for letters to written, demanding a leadership contest if restrictions weren't lifted soon.

 

[Ajax Bay]

Sorry - the subject you raise is off topic for this thread. I decided, nudged by 'he who must be obeyed'. Please don't get stressed.

 

[kingrollo]

Sorry - the subject you raise is off topic for this thread. I decided, nudged by 'he who must be obeyed'. Please don't get stressed.

Lol - I can only take it you want restrictions lifted early but can't quite MTFU and say it.

 

[classic33]

Yes, but, then we come to the non-Covid implications, on health, and other aspects of life. But, I interpreted that as being a different topic to this thread.

They're often the unmentioned effects of this. But they are effects as real as the direct effey of catching the coronavirus.

 

[Ajax Bay]

Maybe this has already been shared. One might presume that the supplies to the other home nations are planned to follow a similar pattern.

Since the clear direction is to give a second dose of the same vaccine, we also might assume that nearly all the Pfizer vaccine projected to be received in late Jan to end March will be used (needed) for the second doses (NB < 12 weeks) for those vaccinated in December and the first week of January (with the Pfizer one, before Oxford AZ was distributed).

 

[kingrollo]

Maybe this has already been shared. One might presume that the supplies to the other home nations are planned to follow a similar pattern.
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Since the clear direction is to give a second dose of the same vaccine, we also might assume that nearly all the Pfizer vaccine projected to be received in late Jan to end March will be used (needed) for the second doses (NB < 12 weeks) for those vaccinated in December and the first week of January (with the Pfizer one, before Oxford AZ was distributed).

I was jabbed with Pfizer last week - my second dose is booked for April 7
I think that by that time if not before the Oxford jab will be more widely used - due to cost ease of storage etc.