That’s only the start of the story given the growing number of long COVID cases and the medical issues and effects of covid. It’s much more better to stop the infections in the first place. In terms of personal cost and longer running social ones. Add in the readmission rate for Covid is just short of 30% of which around 12% go onto die. It’s a lot of hospital beds, staff time your setting up for future. Not forgetting extra work for primary care in pre admission care and post discharge follow up’s.
COVID Vaccine !
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matticus
Guru
I find these figures very odd. Nowt so queer as folk:
View: https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1350060245561864192?s=19
View: https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1350060245561864192?s=19
BoldonLad
Not part of the Elite
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Ajax Bay
Guru
- Location
- East Devon
23 very frail elderly patients died shortly after receiving the vaccine.
More than 20,000 doses of the vaccine have been administered since Christmas in Norway, most [?15,000] to residents in nursing homes [as per the Norwegian plan/priorities], most of whom are very elderly with underlying medical conditions and some of whom are terminally ill.
Around 400 deaths normally occur among care home residents every week [more per week in winter?]. [Total population of Norwegian nursing homes not known.] [23 deaths in 16,000 vaccinated among the 1200 (3 weeks x 400) deaths 'normally' expected seems, in the heartless world of statistics, entirely plausible with no causative effect.]
In 13 of the deaths they have "concluded that common adverse reactions of mRNA vaccines, such as fever, nausea, and diarrhoea, may have contributed to some" of these frail patients' deaths.
They are "carry[ing] out extra [pre-vaccination] evaluation of very sick people whose underlying condition might be aggravated by it.” This evaluation includes discussing the risks and benefits of vaccination with the patient and their families to decide whether or not vaccination is the best course.
“Our immediate thoughts are with the bereaved families.”
lane
Veteran
All spot on I knew someone in their 50s taken to hospital twice. Unfortunately a lot of Tory MPs like to perpetuate the myth it is only the over 80s we need to worry about.
BoldonLad
Not part of the Elite
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- South Tyneside
Just spoken to eldest daughter, who is working at a vaccination hub, administering vaccine, in a nearby area. They are about to start on the 70+ age group, tomorrow, so, 75+ all done (well all of those who want it).
Thought I would strike a positive note, unpopular I know.
Thought I would strike a positive note, unpopular I know.
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
I think most people have been extremely positive about vaccination tbf. I certainly am.
My parents (79,81) haven't yet had a vaccine, and according to Hancock, only 50% of 80+ have, so there's some pretty significant regional variation at the moment, as you'd expect with such a massive programme.
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Based on my experience I totally agree with you. Everyone I have spoken to are upbeat re the rollout figures and the way that the plan is being handled. I think that all parties involved so far are doing a very good job especially in the light of how far we are ahead of many other countries thus far.
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- Somewhere wet & hilly in NW England.
Just spoken to eldest daughter, who is working at a vaccination hub, administering vaccine, in a nearby area. They are about to start on the 70+ age group, tomorrow, so, 75+ all done (well all of those who want it).
Thought I would strike a positive note, unpopular I know.
I'm fine with constructive criticism where due but sadly social media has been alive with politically biased denigrating which imo has often simply been for the sake of it imo. At every twist and turn the Gov's actions have been mocked and derided by some who seem to gleefully delight in bad news and mistakes.
Where mistakes have been made (they have been and more will be) these will be discussed in the inevitable (rightly so) official enquiry and will hopefully provide a platform for any future Gov' of any colour to cope better still with any similar situation that arises.
Great News today that we are now at c3.9m vaccinations which will no doubt be exceeded tomorrow.
Plus welcome News of the extra 10 hubs due on-stream tomorrow.
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There does, fella at work who's parents are both over 80 have had both jabs, live in Birmingham and the wife's step father and her mother, 84&76 have both had the single one. The Mother has COPD so in the vulnerable category, we're in Wolves.
Rocky
Hello decadence
I'm happy to post another positive story about the vaccination programme in north London. At one centre, teachers from a local secondary school are volunteering at weekends to help patients navigate the process and assisting those who aren't particularly mobile. I am so impressed at the way the local community is pulling together to make this a success.
Yes, there's been a lot of criticism but IMO, many many more people want this to work and are putting in time to make it work. It makes you proud of our public sector.
This also is good news:
Britain will be able to vaccinate the entire nation against dangerous new Covid strains within four months after a £158m super-factory opens later this year, The Telegraph can disclose.
Dr Matthew Duchars, chief executive of the Vaccines Manufacturing Innovation Centre (VMIC), revealed the Oxfordshire facility will be capable of producing 70m doses of an emergency vaccine manufactured entirely on British soil.
The news comes amid fears that a new Covid strain from Brazil may prove resistant to current vaccines. All travel corridors into the UK were scrapped this week to prevent new variants entering the country.
“We’ll be able to make 70 million doses within a four to five month period, enough for everyone in the country, when we open late this year,” Dr Duchars told The Telegraph.
“New Covid variants are absolutely part of the thinking. We probably will need to make seasonal vaccine variants because there may well be mutations in the virus, as well as vaccines for other diseases. You never know what’s coming next.”
Currently under construction at the Harwell Science & Innovation Campus in Oxfordshire, the VMIC was first conceived in 2018 and originally planned to open in 2022. When the Covid pandemic struck, the UK government pumped a further £131 million into the not-for-profit company to bring the project forward by a year.
The centre is already helping to manufacture the Oxford vaccine by lending expertise and giant bioreactors to the AstraZeneca team and its partners.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...e-vaccinate-nation-against-new-covid-strains/
Grauniad article from May;
https://www.theguardian.com/society...invest-93m-in-uk-vaccine-manufacturing-centre
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I bet they're not. And I doubt an inquiry is inevitable, or even likely.
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kingrollo
Guru
The vaccine roll is going well - the place I went to was zipping through the numbers - so no complaints on that front.
The only negative is that some Tories will jumping up and down to ease the lockdown in the next couple of weeks...time and time we have relaxed restrictions too early ....(the end of the November lockdown from memory will still had 12k daily new cases!) ....will they stand firm this time ?
The only negative is that some Tories will jumping up and down to ease the lockdown in the next couple of weeks...time and time we have relaxed restrictions too early ....(the end of the November lockdown from memory will still had 12k daily new cases!) ....will they stand firm this time ?
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kingrollo
Guru
They might be able start such a rollout in 4 months. But unless we have permanent vaccination wing of the NHS - we won't get through the whole population in 4 months . So if the new variant threat becomes a reality - the above article offers false hope.
