COVID Vaccine !

[Deleted User]

I will be forced to exist in a society in which virus mitigation restrictions have been lifted. I'm not just scared for myself, you know. I'm scared that we're creating a perfect environment in which to evolve and mutate the virus which will have consequences for all of us.

It is, you may be surprised to hear, not all about me.

So really apart from others wearing masks you can completely control your exposure to this virus?

To answer your question, I've done exactly what the rules said I had to nothing more.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

That sounds reasonable untill you apply it to other situations: I can take all the prectutions I like when cycling, but if someone else decides speed limits are overcautious and steams through the town at 200km/h the likelihood of that driver killing me is much higher. Just because it isn't
inevitable that they will kill other people, doesn't mean it isn't stupid and irresponsible.

If you apply your Covid protection model to this situation, you simply ban all cars and on top of that you never go on the road.

It would mean one of us having to home school them so giving up their job which would mean we would have to sell our home and move somewhere cheaper.

But there is a deadly virus going on, a small price to pay for you all staying alive surely?

It's entirely possible that your government actually cares whether you live or die.

Do you really, honestly think Boris Johnson simply doesn't care if your wife dies?

 

[Andy in Germany]

If you apply your Covid protection model to this situation, you simply ban all cars and on top of that you never go on the road.

No, I'd make the people who cause the most risk take precautions and change their behaviour to minimalise the risk for others. Like speed limits do.

 

[winjim]

Telling people to "find another job" isn't practical. Apart from all the difficulties involved, it depends on training and abilities, and earning potential. To expect people to make such a big change this because other people don't wan't to wear a mask or stop watching the football is a bit unreasonable.

I don't want to drag the thread too far in that direction but telling a university lecturer to change jobs is potentially deskilling the next generation in an environment where we are being encouraged to upskill our population rather than rely on skilled immigration.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

because if I catch a serious dose of this I'm dead. No if or maybe. Dead.

you don't actually know this.

I don't know it Craig,

This is a great example of the casual hyperbole around this. It moved from 'definitely dead, no ifs or buts', to 'yeah, I don't actually know this' in less than an hour.

I really think everyone needs to calm down a bit and listen to what has been said. It isn't becoming illegal to take social distancing measures from July 19th, it hasn't introduced the banning of face masks, you don't have to snog anyone you are stood next to in a queue.

Carry on doing what you are doing, take every precaution you can, just like you did yesterday.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

I don't want to drag the thread too far in that direction but telling a university lecturer to change jobs is potentially deskilling the next generation in an environment where we are being encouraged to upskill our population rather than rely on skilled immigration.

If a lecturer can remain working from home, and all are happy with that, then he carries on working from home, easy. Working from home isn't becoming illegal.

Then in the evening he can go to a bike race.

 

[winjim]

'We need to get back to normal so quit your job and sell your house.'

We truly are living in bizarro world.

 

[DCLane]

This is a great example of the casual hyperbole around this. It moved from 'definitely dead, no ifs or buts', to 'yeah, I don't actually know this' in less than an hour.

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Carry on doing what you are doing, take every precaution you can, just like you did yesterday.

Craig - I'll not share my medical details, but I've been in/out of hospital and had enough conversations with doctors since last February to have been told the probable outcome. That's why at a bike race I'm the one standing away from everyone else.

And yes, I'll continue to take the precautions I've been taking not just since last February but for much longer. It's a pain.

 

[PK99]

There seems to be a chorus of voices of people who perceive themselves as extremely vulnerable who are against easing restrictions and seem to yearn for Zero Covid.

As counterpoint: I'm extremely vulnerable - diagnosed with Leukaemia* in January this year. I recognise Zero Covid as impossible. Lockdown as damaging to society and individuals. And a need to open things up now that the cases/deaths baking in link has eased.

*Symptom Free CML, spotted on a routine blood sample at GP surgery during BP check.

 

[PK99]

Thanks, I couldn't find the complete quote last night. It illustrates the problem described above. Footy Fan wants the entitlements but isn't willing to take responsibility, and ironically, he's the embodiment of Thatcherism.

You mean, he is the embodiment of exactly what Thatcher was criticising!

 

[Deleted User]

'We need to get back to normal so quit your job and sell your house.'

We truly are living in bizarro world.

That's because you're frightened to death and have taken extreme precautions, your prerogative obviously, kids have been back for ages so it's your choice to keep yours off.

 

[Andy in Germany]

You mean, he is the embodiment of exactly what Thatcher was criticising!

And yet the embodiment of her philosophy as well. It's an impressive achievement.

 

[C R]

So really apart from others wearing masks you can completely control your exposure to this virus?

To answer your question, I've done exactly what the rules said I had to nothing more.

 

[Deleted User]

Do that all you like pal, I feel the same about people frightened to go out and judging those that do!

 

[Craig the cyclist]

'We need to get back to normal so quit your job and sell your house.'

We truly are living in bizarro world.

Not at all. We need to get back to a slightly altered version of what we perceived as normal, and if you want your new normal to be a place where there is zero risk of infection, then you may have to sell your house and quit your job, but that is your decision.

If your new normal is a place where you take sensible precautions and interact with other people in a reasonable way, while taking personal responsibility, then build a bbq, put in a new kitchen invite the neighbours round (but don't lick them) and go to work undertaking sensible measures like before.