COVID Vaccine !

[roubaixtuesday]

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the safer of two currently in use.

Sorry to hear you ended up in hospital, and hope all is well now.

Intrigued to hear which you think is safer and why? AFAICT both have very similar safety profiles.

 

[classic33]

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Sorry to hear you ended up in hospital, and hope all is well now.

Intrigued to hear which you think is safer and why? AFAICT both have very similar safety profiles.

Chest pain that isn't easing, and at least one fit/seizure/episode/call it what you want, during the night.

Was informed that due to previous adverse reactions to medications, the Pfizer one was classed as unsafe for me. Wait until the other was being used was the advice given.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Chest pain that isn't easing, and at least one fit/seizure/episode/call it what you want, during the night.

Was informed that due to previous adverse reactions to medications, the Pfizer one was classed as unsafe for me. Wait until the other was being used.

So you had the AZ one, right?

Small consolation, but COVID could be much worse, and your experience will help inform risk for others too.

I really hope you recover, very best wishes.

 

[Ajax Bay]

Blames export restrictions (do they mean the UK and US?) https://www.thejournal.ie/astrazeneca-vaccine-delivery-shortfall-5380507-Mar2021/

Were they planning to import from India to make up the shortfall?

The contract between the EU and AZ for the vaccines specified that they were to be made only in the EU or in the UK (Clause 5.4). Any other site (eg India or USA) for manufacture that AZ wanted to use for EU supply had to be cleared with the EU first. I suspect we'd have heard about this.
Of course USA have a ban in place.
The Irish article quoted is just reiterating the frustration felt that the scheduled EU supply AZ thought in early January, with 'best reasonable efforts' they'd be able to achieve, were kiboshed by poor productivity in the Belgian AZ factory, and there was minimal spare to export from the UK. We don't know but I reckon several million doses of Ox-AZ HAS been exported to the EU (in Feb) from one or both of the UK sites (via Wrexham). And as we've heard from the UK Government, no C19 vaccine or vaccine components have been banned from export.
The precipitate pause in various EU countries of the use of Ox-Az vaccine till the blood clot events have been worked out will allow supplies to build up (assumed). For politicians, one can see the atractiveness of this approach, indulging/encouraging an over-precautionary 'stop'.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

all incidents should be reported by the patient or clinician using the MHRA Yellow Card scheme and this is actively encouraged via https://coronavirus-yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/

There have been a relatively small number of incidents (not just clots). Out of the thousands that we have administered we have had literally just a handful of patients who have felt feint (the majority of whom were already predisposed to such events) and zero adverse reactions in clinic or reported afterwards.

The vaccine related thrombosis is reported to us as 1 in 136,000 which is lower than the natural incidence.

We have also done tens of thousands down here. In one clinic, in one afternoon, they had three anaphylactic events, in all of the other clinics combined we have had zero! Thank god I wasn't on that shift

 

[Buck]

Well I got to spend four hours in the local A&E, via ambulance from the vaccination centre. Having been given the safer of two currently in use.

Wondering now if the second would result in similar results.

Constant bombardment with text message's about it, and the importance of being part of the program, got me P'd off. Six a day since the appointment was confirmed.

Hope you’re feeling better. Advice is second dose has to be administered in a hospital setting due to an adverse reaction so no mass vaccination centre or GPs (that’s if you want to have the second? )

Take care

 

[Buck]

We have also done tens of thousands down here. In one clinic, in one afternoon, they had three anaphylactic events, in all of the other clinics combined we have had zero! Thank god I wasn't on that shift

That would have been stressful for those involved!

 

[randynewmanscat]

I believe there's considerable scepticism in France and Italy

Considerable understatement!

 

[Craig the cyclist]

That would have been stressful for those involved!

Yeah, the colleague I know who was on that shift described it as 'a right f***ing laugh'

 

[lane]

All over 50s should be offered vaccine two weeks ahead of timetable. Surprisingly made possible by a large shipment of vaccine from India.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56407251

 

[Ajax Bay]

You would have thought there'd be better, closer places for India to send batches of Ox-AZ vaccine than here. Wockhardt (Wrexham) have the capacity to ship out over 700,000 doses a day - more than is needed for even the accelerated UK programme. Maybe the supplies from India are coming here so AZ can supply EU from UK (so staying within the AZ-EU Advance Purchase contract (Clause 5.4)) with enough doses for them to store for 10 days while they find scientists confident enough to explain the stats on blood clots.
My estimate is that sufficient first jabs for JCVI Gps 1-9 (over 50s plus plus) - 32M - will be delivered into arms by Easter Sunday (4 April).
The 32M assumes high 100% acceptance, btw. Every 3% below that is a million less (with which we can start the high 40s).

 

[lane]

Nottingham opened bookings to over 40s today by mistake - but those that have booked appointments are being honoured.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56407251

 

[lane]

You would have thought there'd be better, closer places for India to send batches of Ox-AZ vaccine than here. Wockhardt (Wrexham) have the capacity to ship out over 700,000 doses a day - more than is needed for even the accelerated UK programme. Maybe the supplies from India are coming here so AZ can supply EU from UK (so staying within the AZ-EU Advance Purchase contract (Clause 5.4)) with enough doses for them to store for 10 days while they find scientists confident enough to explain the stats on blood clots.
My estimate is that sufficient first jabs for JCVI Gps 1-9 (over 50s plus plus) - 32M - will be delivered into arms by Easter Sunday (4 April).
The 32M assumes high 100% acceptance, btw. Every 3% below that is a million less (with which we can start the high 40s).

700,000 a day from UK plus supplies from India? My post over the weekend Telegraph quoted as saying we will increase to 1m a day. Maybe that is the reason.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Will the Oxford AZ vaccine ever get fully accepted in the EU following the decision by many countries to pause its use until the latest scare over blood clots is resolved?

I have confidence that the science will show that the risk of blood clots is no greater in those vaccinated with the Oxford AZ than those without, but sadly there will be enough people who will now never have confidence in it that it will slow the vaccination programme down even further throughout Europe, resulting in further deaths.

My wife was just showing me comments on a forum she looks at where people in this country are saying there must be problems with it if so many other countries are banning it, and that they are worried that they might be offered it instead of the Pfizer vaccine.

Very worrying.

 

[fossyant]

How are you now @classic33 ?