COVID Vaccine !

[mjr]

It's been suspended in several countries rather than banned, pending investigation.

I was surprised to hear on the news last night that AZ is no longer being injected Germany-wide pending investigation.

Scale of the suspension. Only Belgium in western Europe is now following the EMA advice to continue and their response is influenced by appointed experts more than politicians directly. Countries in red here have stopped using OxAZ and pink have limited use:

 

[Mo1959]

I’m still probably irrationally reluctant to take it and this isn’t helping. I’ll need to make up my mind before Saturday as that’s when I’m supposed to get it.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

I’m still probably irrationally reluctant to take it and this isn’t helping. I’ll need to make up my mind before Saturday as that’s when I’m supposed to get it.

What would be the key piece of information that will make you feel comfortable?

 

[Mo1959]

What would be the key piece of information that will make you feel comfortable?

That it has been in bodies for at least two or three years with not the slightest sign of any side effects.

 

[Deleted User]

I’m still probably irrationally reluctant to take it and this isn’t helping. I’ll need to make up my mind before Saturday as that’s when I’m supposed to get it.

I know quite a few who have had the AZ one, after effects have ranged from absolutely nothing to at worst one chap felt 'really rough' for 17hrs.

Age group from 19 to 57.

Only you can decide really.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

That it has been in bodies for at least two or three years with not the slightest sign of any side effects.

Ah ok. Well that is simply impossible.

Have you cancelled your appointment so someone else can have it?

 

[Milkfloat]

It is incredibly sad that the reaction in Europe seems to be based more on politics than science. I know we Brits have always claimed to be different from Europe, but 11M doses in the UK without too many issues says a lot. I could understand it if they had very low active Covid case numbers, but they don't and they are rising.

 

[dodgy]

I’m still probably irrationally reluctant to take it and this isn’t helping. I’ll need to make up my mind before Saturday as that’s when I’m supposed to get it.

A very good friend of mine lost his youngish wife to covid 2 weeks ago.

 

[Archie_tect]

I don't understand why someone wouldn't want to have the vaccine to be protected from Covid, but it is up to the individual.

There have been 37 reported blood clot incidents in 17 million people who have had an AZ vaccine. How many of those can be linked to taking the AZ vaccine?

How many incidents including deaths due to blood clots have occurred in people, over the same period, who haven't had the vaccine yet?

 

[mjr]

That it has been in bodies for at least two or three years with not the slightest sign of any side effects.

That's not really possible when the virus itself probably hasn't been in human bodies that long. The OxAZ has been in bodies since at least August 2020 if not before with few side effects, most of which have been scrutinised for safety.

Why two or three years? What do you expect to show up then which won't have shown up in a few months? I think (but I am not a medic so may have misunderstood the stuff about "shedding") that the published papers say the OxAZ vaccine itself has broken down and left the body within 28 days but the immune system effects remain.

I agree with the experts who estimate that the risk of vaccine side-effects is smaller than the risk of the virus. I would take it if offered, but I'd make sure I've a few days of supplies in, just in case I get the rare-but-more-common flu-like side-effect.

Whatever you decide, I wish you the best!

 

[vickster]

That it has been in bodies for at least two or three years with not the slightest sign of any side effects.

You'll never get any vaccine or medicinal product that has no side effects whatsoever. Do you take the flu jab usually?

 

[Mo1959]

You'll never get any vaccine or medicinal product that has no side effects whatsoever. Do you take the flu jab usually?

Nope....and never had the flu.

 

[vickster]

I don't understand why someone would;dn't want to have the vaccine to be protected from Covid, but it is up to the individual.

There have been 37 reported blood clot incidents in 17 million people who have had an AZ vaccine. How many of those can be linked to taking the AZ vaccine?

How many incidents of death due to blood clots have occurred in people, over the same period, who haven't had the vaccine yet?

And how many people with Covid have died of blood clots / strokes / PEs as a result of Covid (as I said, there are even young people with Covid losing limbs as a result of clots)

 

[dodgy]

Nope....and never had the flu.

I've not needed the seatbelts in my car so far, but I always 'wear' them. Even that is a poor analogy, covid-19 isn't flu, it's way more contagious. I can't understand your logic at all, but respect your pause for thought. Hopefully you figure it out. I'm getting vaccinate for me, but also for that old person I stand next to in a pub, or the old lady I chat with at the bus stop etc

 

[roubaixtuesday]

That it has been in bodies for at least two or three years with not the slightest sign of any side effects.

As others have pointed out, this would preclude ever taking any medicine.

But on the risk/benefit of vaccination:

*Very* roughly
Ten million people in the UK have had COVID. Over 100,000 have died.
Ten million people in the UK have had the AZ jab. Nobody is known to have died.