COVID Vaccine !

[lane]

The person I know was vaccinated at work. Smallish care home all staff were Vaccinated at the same time even if day off or not on shift they went in and the staff and residents were vaccinated.

 

[marinyork]

Find Out Now survey (55k persons): the (age/sex defined) group most likely to refuse the vaccine is currently 18-34 year-old women: 25% v general population's 18% (latter figure seems high cf other surveys).
Think this msn article is a good appraisal of the concerns and facts/evidence/lack of evidence on the likely/possible effect of vaccination on fertility.
Article covers everything but I thought this was a point well worth making:
"There is no reason to expect [a COVID-19 vaccine to have] an effect on fertility, specific research would've been done if there were a plausible reason to expect this being a problem. Instead, the risk of COVID-19 affecting your fertility is far greater." Dr Karan Rajan NHS surgeon, and lecturer at ICL

Yes, this is what researchers have said, this is my experience hearing these things.

One of the ones that caused concern as well was the guidance on covid for pregnant women 'changing' over time, which is viewed by many in a much more worrisome way. And during covid how pregnant women have been treated and affect on many hasn't been a great advert for quelling these worries. It may ramp up the worries. It's of interest and ironic to me that the MHRA during covid has decided to go on a massive consultation on selling some continuous contraception OTC from prescription. That's a good thing, but it demonstrates how out of step the rest of society is from this subset of the population.

I didn't ever say the rumours made much sense. If you consider the range of mental health, neurological and other things covid can bring in a small but terrifying minority as well as zika wasn't very far back, it doesn't make sense from a medical point of view. From a societal point of view it makes a lot more sense.

 

[Buck]

Just curious but are care home staff vaccinated at their place of work along with the residents?

When vaccinating the residents, we asked the care home managers to arrange staff at the same time with some even coming in on their day off for this. The uptake was pretty high amongst the staff regardless of their demographic.

 

[srw]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...irst-covid-jab-to-four-most-vulnerable-groups
" The UK government has reached its target of offering at least first vaccinations to the four groups of people in the UK seen as most vulnerable to coronavirus by mid-February, it has announced. "

So much for the sceptics like ...errr... me. Some of these comments really haven't lasted very well, have they?

In reality, the difference of a couple of weeks in the first vaccination is completely irrelevant. What counts is how quickly the thing is stuffed into the arms of very large numbers of people. I'd put decent money on that happening more quickly in Germany than in the UK.

That's an operationally very difficult problem to solve using the central dictat tools we're trying to impose on a health system that is run very locally.

Let's talk again in a couple of months when there is some robust data rather than political spin.

They need to be stretching but achievable.

We've had nine months of Johnson over-promising and under-delivering. Why should we believe him now?

This stretch is utterly ludicrous. It is ridiculous. It is a figment of the imagination of a few advisors in Whitehall who have never had to deal with the messy reality of actually getting drugs into people's arms.

 

[mjr]

I await confirmation that this is "offered" in the Boris sense of in the arms and not the usual dictionary sense, but it seems I was right that it needed to accelerate, wasn't I? They needed a slight buffer to cope with the days lost to snow around here.

 

[Ajax Bay]

I thought going back to look at a few of the "We're doomed" comments from the first 30 pages and exposing them to the blast of February's cold gales was poor form, but fair play to you @srw for looking for some of yours, and sharing.
In your defence it was not general knowledge that the government's quick choice for leading the VTF was impeccably qualified from the private sector (a dreaming spires alumna, scientific and venture capitalist), with the added advantage of a matrimonial insight into Cabinet.
Got a tip for the Gold Cup?

 

[nickyboy]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...irst-covid-jab-to-four-most-vulnerable-groups
" The UK government has reached its target of offering at least first vaccinations to the four groups of people in the UK seen as most vulnerable to coronavirus by mid-February, it has announced. "

So much for the sceptics like ...errr... me. Some of these comments really haven't lasted very well, have they?

Predicting the success or otherwise of something that nobody has ever done before is always going to be a challenge. I'm just glad, as I'm sure everyone is, that we have achieved the stretch target. Hopefully there won't be a collective exhalation and a reduction in the daily rate and instead we continue to get the vaccines into arms asap

 

[PaulSB]

What's your thoughts on the BAME folks apparently refusing the jab, considering many work in the care home industry, whether those have refused I'm unsure.

My view is everyone should be vaccinated provided they do not have a health condition which prevents this. I am not advocating forced vaccination.

In my view we all have a responsibility to ourselves, those we interact with socially (in the broadest possible sense) and society as a whole. To refuse the vaccine is irresponsible and a threat to one's own health and those we interact with.

 

[Rocky]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...irst-covid-jab-to-four-most-vulnerable-groups
" The UK government has reached its target of offering at least first vaccinations to the four groups of people in the UK seen as most vulnerable to coronavirus by mid-February, it has announced. "

So much for the sceptics like ...errr... me. Some of these comments really haven't lasted very well, have they?

I think where the vaccination programme has succeeded when other initiatives, like test and trace have failed is largely down to the use of public sector infrastructure which has a proven track record of delivery as opposed to services being contracted out to the private sector. Vaccination is the business of general practice and wider primary care. That's what GPs do and they've shown why it made sense to put them at the centre of this.

 

[MrGrumpy]

My view is everyone should be vaccinated provided they do not have a health condition which prevents this. I am not advocating forced vaccination.

In my view we all have a responsibility to ourselves, those we interact with socially (in the broadest possible sense) and society as a whole. To refuse the vaccine is irresponsible and a threat to one's own health and those we interact with.

I’m with you on that if the vaccine prevents spread. The same folk complaining about freedom to do what they want , don’t want the vaccine neither . Very strange behaviour really.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...irst-covid-jab-to-four-most-vulnerable-groups
" The UK government has reached its target of offering at least first vaccinations to the four groups of people in the UK seen as most vulnerable to coronavirus by mid-February, it has announced. "

So much for the sceptics like ...errr... me. Some of these comments really haven't lasted very well, have they?

Fair play to you for making that post.

 

[Pale Rider]

I await confirmation that this is "offered" in the Boris sense of in the arms and not the usual dictionary sense,

The Sun's jab-o-meter is showing 15m jabs, so it absolutely must be 15m administered.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14039306/15-million-covid-vaccines-target-hit/

That's what GPs do and they've shown why it made sense to put them at the centre of this.

My GP didn't do a lot more than pass my details onto a vaccination centre.

Not that I'm complaining, it's all the NHS, and I am one of the 15m who has received an excellent first jab service.

 

[midlife]

Has anybody seen any figure on how many in each group has been vaccinated or is it just the total?

 

[mjr]

The Sun's jab-o-meter is showing 15m jabs, so it absolutely must be 15m administered.

While great, 15m was not the target. It was a particular 15m. Delivery to the willing and able in priority groups is what interests me and, yes, I am slightly suspicious of the lack of detail on this on https://www.gov.uk/search/all?level...=news_and_communications&order=updated-newest but, you know, won't get fooled again.

 

[SkipdiverJohn]

While great, 15m was not the target. It was a particular 15m.

What's the alternative, throw a hissy fit and stop vaccinating everyone else until they've managed to mop up the outstanding numbers in the highest priority groups?.
Pedantry gets you nowhere, pragmatism gets the job done, just slightly differently to how you might have planned it.
Anyone who sets a near-100% target on anything is a prize idiot. You're only going to get what you get, and if that means 10-15% of your target group don't get done, then that's just the way the dice rolls. You just move on to the next target group further down the list and end up bringing some of those forward a bit sooner than you would have got to otherwise. Have a look at the EU coronashambles and just be grateful we're doing it our way, not ballsing it up collectively just to show some european unity.