Coronavirus outbreak

[MarkF]

OK, I'll bite: which of the guidelines do you disagree with and find scandalous? In case you don't actually have a copy yet and are relying on what idiots are pasting on fakebook, they're linked on https://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv-radio-a.../guidance/broadcast-standards-and-coronavirus

That link also lists the sanctions Ofcom have imposed about covid: no Notts radio station has been fined for that. They might have been fined for other reasons, of course.

FYI and others, I do not do Facebook, nor do I actually post anything on any other internet forum, beyond buying a bike on CTC.

Ofcom ambiguously prevents any serious debate.

However, we expect broadcasters to be alert to the potential for significant harm to audiences related to the coronavirus, which could include:

• health claims related to the virus which may be harmful;
• medical advice which may be harmful; and,
• accuracy or material misleadingness in programmes in relation to the virus or public policy regarding it.

AKA do not say/post anything not agreeing with the government narrative.

Found it! The link, he was a health professional. As I said to a mod earlier, it's hard to link sometimes as when I look back my information is no longer there.........this time it is on Ofcom's own site.

Radio station sanctioned for misleading coronavirus interview

 

[MarkF]

2 minute read

Thus, the Western World has been encouraged by their lack of responsibility coupled with uncontrolled media and academic errors to commit suicide for an excess burden of death of one month. Surely we or someone we know can do something about this!

From March but re-tweeted today as he is safe in the knowledge that he was right.

 

[classic33]

2 minute read

Thus, the Western World has been encouraged by their lack of responsibility coupled with uncontrolled media and academic errors to commit suicide for an excess burden of death of one month. Surely we or someone we know can do something about this!

From March but re-tweeted today as he is safe in the knowledge that he was right.

He declared the US pandemic over on the 22nd August, with 170,000 deaths.

 

[tom73]

Faced with a virus no one had seen before and seeing that it almost brought down other health services. The total lack of preparation, PPE, capacity, staff and growing numbers of critically ill patients. The health service had little choice. But to cut back on some core hospital functions. Emergency care will always take priority. Even in services that can still work due to having to work with COVID all round means they simple are not able to work at levels before. Clinicians don’t like cutting back on things but had no choice. No county can afford to have it’s health service collapse the cost is simple not worth playing. Look at Belgium now they are the brink asking doctors and nurses to work even if COVID +. Staff within the service are doing all they can I know it means little if you can’t get the tests or opp you need. We never got on top of COVID and even now even more opps are being put back again. The health service can’t be held responsible for the total lack of a plan of how to deal with this. Give them the tools and they can fix this but sadly that won’t happen.

 

[MarkF]

How deadly is Covid?

 

[midlife]

Faced with a virus no one had seen before and seeing that it almost brought down other health services. The total lack of preparation, PPE, capacity, staff and growing numbers of critically ill patients. The health service had little choice. But to cut back on some core hospital functions. Emergency care will always take priority. Even in services that can still work due to having to work with COVID all round means they simple are not able to work at levels before. Clinicians don’t like cutting back on things but had no choice. No county can afford to have it’s health service collapse the cost is simple not worth playing. Look at Belgium now they are the brink asking doctors and nurses to work even if COVID +. Staff within the service are doing all they can I know it means little if you can’t get the tests or opp you need. We never got on top of COVID and even now even more opps are being put back again. The health service can’t be held responsible for the total lack of a plan of how to deal with this. Give them the tools and they can fix this but sadly that won’t happen.

As far as I am aware the NHS should be running 90% of services pre covid.....

Back in March the service I sort of run for an NHS hospital was shut down, I was placed on a redeployment register. Suggested fatalities for Cumbria 5000

I planned for the expected storm and sorted out my service in case I didn't survive. Put everything in order so that someone could pick up the pieces.

Pondered the songs for my funeral as I was in the firing line.

Went into work every day as did all patient facing NHS staff here and waited... Worked remote while at work.

Still go into work every day trying to max out what I can do to treat patients in the circumstances.

I guess this is repeated throughout the NHS?

 

[classic33]

Faced with a virus no one had seen before and seeing that it almost brought down other health services. The total lack of preparation, PPE, capacity, staff and growing numbers of critically ill patients. The health service had little choice. But to cut back on some core hospital functions. Emergency care will always take priority. Even in services that can still work due to having to work with COVID all round means they simple are not able to work at levels before. Clinicians don’t like cutting back on things but had no choice. No county can afford to have it’s health service collapse the cost is simple not worth playing. Look at Belgium now they are the brink asking doctors and nurses to work even if COVID +. Staff within the service are doing all they can I know it means little if you can’t get the tests or opp you need. We never got on top of COVID and even now even more opps are being put back again. The health service can’t be held responsible for the total lack of a plan of how to deal with this. Give them the tools and they can fix this but sadly that won’t happen.

I've too much respect for those on the front line staff in hospitals to have a go at them. Now or ever.

If I'm blaming anyone, it's those higher up in offices/premises totally seperate from the hospitals. They seldom see day to day life, much less the night life in the hospital. Yet the orders trickle down from the top. Those are the ones I blame.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

How deadly is Covid?

That's the second time you posted an uncommented link to that nonsense.

Once again, here are the very obvious reasons it's completely false, copied from upthread where you predictably didn't respond.


The post is nonsense, claiming (1)50% of Swedes have had the disease and (2)Sweden has herd immunity, and that this demonstrates an IFR of 0.12% (3)

(1) Serology studies in Sweden show infection rates at or below 10%.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31672-X/fulltext

(2) Case numbers in Sweden are currently rising rapidly which immediately falsified any claim of herd immunity.

(3) Reputable studies of IFR are typically in the range 0.5-1%.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220321809
There are numerous regions with higher *population* fatality rates (Bergamo, NYC) than 0.12%!

Once again, you're posting demonstrably false claims.

But I think (deep down) you know this

 

[MarkF]

He declared the US pandemic over on the 22nd August, with 170,000 deaths.

I don't have any USA graphs/tables to hand (but can get then easily enough), but was/is he far out? The pandemic, not an endemic virus. After all UK pandemic was over in June.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

After all UK pandemic was over in June.

Another false statement without a reference.

Quelle surprise.

 

[MarkF]

That's the second time you posted an uncommented link to that nonsense.

Once again, here are the very obvious reasons it's completely false, copied from upthread where you predictably didn't respond.


The post is nonsense, claiming (1)50% of Swedes have had the disease and (2)Sweden has herd immunity, and that this demonstrates an IFR of 0.12% (3)

(1) Serology studies in Sweden show infection rates at or below 10%.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31672-X/fulltext

(2) Case numbers in Sweden are currently rising rapidly which immediately falsified any claim of herd immunity.

(3) Reputable studies of IFR are typically in the range 0.5-1%.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220321809
There are numerous regions with higher *population* fatality rates (Bergamo, NYC) than 0.12%!

Once again, you're posting demonstrably false claims.

But I think (deep down) you know this

Yeah, I recall you belittling another poster with hysterical claims of 107000 (or was it 170000) to die by Xmas if pointless measures were not taken? Own house in order please.

 

[classic33]

How deadly is Covid?

Any proof that herd immunity works?

After all the best "herds" should have been at universities, where the "populations" could be controlled. That's not been the case though.

Individual human behavior is harder control than any study shows.

 

[classic33]

I don't have any USA graphs/tables to hand (but can get then easily enough), but was/is he far out? The pandemic, not an endemic virus. After all UK pandemic was over in June.

The post you quoted simply stated that he declared the US pandemic over on the date given by him with the total number of deaths as given by him.

What's been happening in the US since then?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Yeah, I recall you belittling another poster with hysterical claims of 107000 (or was it 170000) to die by Xmas if pointless measures were not taken? Own house in order please.

I've no idea what you're on about.

Your post was false, for the reasons given.

Your subsequent post was also false (and ludicrous - pandemic over in June!).

You repeatedly post false and misleading information, fail to respond to posts correcting you, then repost the same, false information.

 

[MarkF]

I've no idea what you're on about.

Your post was false, for the reasons given.

Your subsequent post was also false (and ludicrous - pandemic over in June!).

You repeatedly post false and misleading information, fail to respond to posts correcting you, then repost the same, false information.

You forgot your post?

If there are no excess deaths then there is no pandemic. Now show me a graph /table for your predicted deaths by xmas and let's see how you get on. Soon pls now we are on link demand fest.