Coronavirus outbreak

[roubaixtuesday]

Interesting and highly critical article in Time on the Swedish strategy.

The Swedish way has yielded little but death and misery. And, this situation has not been honestly portrayed to the Swedish people or to the rest of the world.

https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/

 

[Bazzer]

With 219 cases per 100,000 per week I'm surprised we haven't been put in tier 2 here in Carlisle. Is there any government rules on when they put you up a tier. Don't remember seeing any.

I am assuming there is a basket of factors. My eldest who lives in Gtr Manchester was frustrated for several weeks that her town was subject to a higher tier than where Mrs B and I live, even though a published rate of infections showed higher figures where we live. Indeed we were all surprised when we were not swept up as part of the Manchester/Liverpool imposition.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

367 more deaths reported.

Weekend lag aside it looks like more cases are translating into more fatalities.

http://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...navirus-cases-and-further-367-deaths-12116066

Deaths show a relentless close to exponential rise since mid September with a doubling time about 10 days:

Nobody seems to believe the tier system will make much difference, so England deaths at least can be expected to continue to increase, with today's daily exceptional total routine in a week or two, and exceeded most days in a month's time.

Beyond that, who knows? Deaths are baked in almost a month ahead. The government in England seems to have no upper bound on what is an acceptable casualty rate and no understanding of what exponential growth means will happen next.

Yet another U turn, and thousands upon thousands of unnecessary deaths caused by yet more prevarication seem near certain, the only question being how many corpses are needed to force the change.

 

[classic33]

Translation error?

Possible*, but if the contents/results are unknown, it's impossible to comment on the study/research.

*They got it right once, if they meant mask, not bandage.

 

[BoldonLad]

True that ever happens the old ways have mostly gone a massive long over due economic rebalance is coming. What ever that will look like we don’t know but we know have to fight infectious diseases what works and what’s effective. So we can either follow the science and tried and tested public health. Or forget it and blunder on.Some part of world have understood that from the start and are much better if for it. The one thing that’s going all this is Covid deal with that and much of rest will be a hell of a lot more simple.

Examples?

 

[BoldonLad]

I thought the Ons stats had already flagged up COVID as a cause of excess deaths? Or am I reading it wrong

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54463511

Yes, but it is not Covid infection which is killing people, it is the hysterical reaction, which means that people either are not or cannot seek medical help for conditions which, if undetected/untreated may be fatal.

Have you tried to see a GP lately?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Yes, but it is not Covid infection which is killing people, it is the hysterical reaction, which means that people either are not or cannot seek medical help for conditions which, if undetected/untreated may be fatal.

This is clearly not the case for excess deaths, the vast majority of which were early in the first wave, whereas since then, excess deaths have actually been below normal.

Why are you spreading hysteria about something which has demonstrably not happened?

[Clearly it is a big concern for the future, but not as yet a major killer]

 

[BoldonLad]

This is clearly not the case for excess deaths, the vast majority of which were early in the first wave, whereas since then, excess deaths have actually been below normal.

Why are you spreading hysteria about something which has demonstrably not happened?

[Clearly it is a big concern for the future, but not as yet a major killer]

"Covid deaths" are themselves not necessarily as a result of Covid as such, Covid deaths, according to the daily outpourings from BBC etc, are those who die of WHATEVER CAUSE within 28 days of a positive test for Covid.

Also, the "Covid Factor" in not diagnoses, is commented on frequently, on mainstream news.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

"Covid deaths" are themselves not necessarily as a result of Covid as such, Covid deaths, according to the daily outpourings from BBC etc, are those who die of WHATEVER CAUSE within 28 days of a positive test for Covid.

Also, the "Covid Factor" in not diagnoses, is commented on frequently, on mainstream news.

And yet, these deaths you'd like to believe are from something else happen exactly when you'd expect from the pandemic.

Probably just coincidence, I suppose.

Anyway, you know best and doubtless have a very good reason why epidemiologists are hiding the truth.

I do agree there must be a "Covid Factor", just that so far, its effect isn't visible in overall mortality. It may well manifest over coming months.

 

[BoldonLad]

And yet, these deaths you'd like to believe are from something else happen exactly when you'd expect from the pandemic.

Probably just coincidence, I suppose.

Anyway, you know best and doubtless have a very good reason why epidemiologists are hiding the truth.

I do agree there must be a "Covid Factor", just that so far, its effect isn't visible in overall mortality. It may well manifest over coming months.

I don't recall saying I know best? I just don't happen to agree 100% with you.

I don't recall saying that epidemiologists are hiding the truth, either. It would appear, not surprisingly, with such a new virus/disease there is some doubt as to what the truth is.

 

[classic33]

And yet, these deaths you'd like to believe are from something else happen exactly when you'd expect from the pandemic.

Probably just coincidence, I suppose.

Anyway, you know best and doubtless have a very good reason why epidemiologists are hiding the truth.

I do agree there must be a "Covid Factor", just that so far, its effect isn't visible in overall mortality. It may well manifest over coming months.

The less talked about* side of this year has been the withdrawal of routine hospital appointments for long term health problems. Life long, has been Grand Mal seizures that develop into status epilepticus.
https://www.epilepsy.com/learn/challenges-epilepsy/seizure-emergencies/status-epilepticus

I was under investigation for one, living with two others. I'm now having to manage all three myself. There's certain to be more in a similar situation.


*Unless it's been along the lines of "shut them away, so the rest of us can get on with what we want to do".

 

[roubaixtuesday]

The less talked about* side of this year has been the withdrawal of routine hospital appointments for long term health problems. Life long, has been Grand Mal seizures that develop into status epilepticus.
https://www.epilepsy.com/learn/challenges-epilepsy/seizure-emergencies/status-epilepticus

I was under investigation for one, living with two others. I'm now having to manage all three myself. There's certain to be more in a similar situation.


*Unless it's been along the lines of "shut them away, so the rest of us can get on with what we want to do".

Agree, the impact on routine healthcare has been very large.

All the best with your condition.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

It would appear, not surprisingly, with such a new virus/disease there is some doubt as to what the truth is.

In which case you'll be able to find reputable sources who agree with

Yes, but it is not Covid infection which is killing people

 

[Bazzer]

The less talked about* side of this year has been the withdrawal of routine hospital appointments for long term health problems. Life long, has been Grand Mal seizures that develop into status epilepticus.
https://www.epilepsy.com/learn/challenges-epilepsy/seizure-emergencies/status-epilepticus

I was under investigation for one, living with two others. I'm now having to manage all three myself. There's certain to be more in a similar situation.


*Unless it's been along the lines of "shut them away, so the rest of us can get on with what we want to do".

I couldn't agree more. A friend's wife who has macular degeneration had eye appointments delayed. When she eventually got to see the consultant, after her examination his comment was "You should have been here sooner". My friend bluntly pointed out it was the hospital which had repeatedly cancelled appointments.
My Mum is desperate for an MRI on her spine. Her own has GP vocally expressed to my sister his disgust with the behaviour of Mum's local hospital.

 

[classic33]

I couldn't agree more. A friend's wife who has macular degeneration had eye appointments delayed. When she eventually got to see the consultant, after her examination his comment was "You should have been here sooner". My friend bluntly pointed out it was the hospital which had repeatedly cancelled appointments.
My Mum is desperate for an MRI on her spine. Her own has GP vocally expressed to my sister his disgust with the behaviour of Mum's local hospital.

Locally, the outpatient appointments were just cancelled. At least one operation also cancelled, an extended EEG(24 hour) in May cancelled.

As for trying to get an appointment to see a GP, wouldn't it be a bit unfair on them, to expect them to sort such problems out?

I'm less concerned about this virus than the three conditions I had before this kicked off. There's little they can do, should I happen to catch it. I make hospitals nervous, treatment wise. Simple, everyday medications can't be used/given.