Coronavirus outbreak

[MarkF]

That is not how it works.

You are fine at linking to those people who you agree with, then pathetically say you are useless at linking when asked to back up some claim you just drop in.

I've linked, it takes me time........

 

[classic33]

You know by now how useless I am at linking, but I'm trying, it was recent and my reply to you was "It's just not credible" Tbf you were quoting a (bonkers) prediction/projection

Something less bonkers,
The original post you quoted

The post you quoted simply stated that he declared the US pandemic over on the date given by him with the total number of deaths as given by him.

What's been happening in the US since then?

As quoted by yourself

Give me a link, go ahead.

Why make it seem as though I've asked you to do something I haven't?
It does no favours for anyone

Both posts above share the same post Numbers, 6176489 for the post and 14,593 on this thread. Anyone can check for themselves by tapping on the post link.

 

[classic33]

I know you have and It was not aimed at you I was generally trying to get the point across that how ever angry you are the NHS and it's staff are not the problem hard clinical choices had to be made with the tool they have. The lack of which is down to the government which now has a helping hand of covid to hide behind.

That describes someone, high up, I know. Absolutely no idea what they're doing, and a former council print works manager who never checked his computer before leaving.

 

[mjr]

Interesting new Android app, helps you record your contacts manually, then expires them automatically after 2 weeks. https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.apozas.contactdiary/

 

[BoldonLad]

Faced with a virus no one had seen before and seeing that it almost brought down other health services. The total lack of preparation, PPE, capacity, staff and growing numbers of critically ill patients. The health service had little choice. But to cut back on some core hospital functions. Emergency care will always take priority. Even in services that can still work due to having to work with COVID all round means they simple are not able to work at levels before. Clinicians don’t like cutting back on things but had no choice. No county can afford to have it’s health service collapse the cost is simple not worth playing. Look at Belgium now they are the brink asking doctors and nurses to work even if COVID +. Staff within the service are doing all they can I know it means little if you can’t get the tests or opp you need. We never got on top of COVID and even now even more opps are being put back again. The health service can’t be held responsible for the total lack of a plan of how to deal with this. Give them the tools and they can fix this but sadly that won’t happen.

So, just what can the many hundreds of quite highly paid "Executives" within the NHS be held responsible for?

 

[mjr]

Another analysis suggesting thst the UK has been hit so hard because of air pollution: https://www.thejournal.ie/thousands...inked-to-air-pollution-study-5245630-Oct2020/

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Here it is and total bollocks. 200k deaths by Xmas, no wonder people are scared witless.

Unfortunately, it's not bollocks. It's a post by a modelling scientist, James Annan. And if you follow the curve, you'll see its been pretty much exactly correct so far, nearly a month on. As you're so knowledgeable, you'll be able to explain *why* it's wrong, rather than just deny it, yes?

Also, you'll note that both Annan and I were careful to say that it will not happen in reality, because action will be taken to stop it, as it will be unacceptable. I quote:

Now, this won't be acceptable so people will shield themselves from the carnage and/or govt will make strong interventions to mitigate

So after posting three false claims in short succession you've followed up with a blatant misrepresentation of a post of mine, together with an insult.

I've no doubt whatever you'll be back posting links to more disinformation very soon, and you'll continue to competely ignore debunking of them too.

 

[Unkraut]

So, just what can the many hundreds of quite highly paid "Executives" within the NHS be held responsible for?

I read a tome on Blair's government called Broken Vows by Tom Bower. Not specifically about the NHS but one thing that struck me reading was how Labour made a substantial increase in funding for the NHS only to find a relatively small improvement in outcome.

I think this shows that funding is not the only problem - although with years of austerity behind it the current crisis has undoubtedly been made worse.

The culture of how it is run by its highly paid executives, and being used as a political football with unending series of reforms - changes for ideological reasons - might be something that should be part of vigorous public debate once the pandemic is over. Now is not the time.

 

[PK99]

I read a tome on Blair's government called Broken Vows by Tom Bower. Not specifically about the NHS but one thing that struck me reading was how Labour made a substantial increase in funding for the NHS only to find a relatively small improvement in outcome.

 

[tom73]

https://covidstraighttalk.org
New Simple and to the point website how to safe you at work and how to stay safe. It's all about M.A.D
Along with some hacks to keep air indoors moving.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

 

[PaulB]

I read this slightly worrying article from former tory MP Nick Boles earlier and found myself agreeing with it but couldn't help being concerned for the implications.

'The large countries which successfully limited the impact of the first wave and prevented the second wave from taking off all deployed some combination of border closures, travel bans, enforced confinement and intrusive monitoring of personal data; China, Vietnam, South Korea.

The staggering incompetence of the British Government's handling of every aspect of the pandemic should not blind us to the fact that almost all liberal democracies have suffered large numbers of deaths and serious economic distress. We can only hope that liberal democracies do better in rebuilding their economies and restoring social freedom because the authoritarian states have 'won' the pandemic hands down.'

 

[mjr]

[...] former tory MP Nick Boles [...] 'The large countries which successfully limited the impact of the first wave and prevented the second wave from taking off all deployed some combination of border closures, travel bans, enforced confinement and intrusive monitoring of personal data; China, Vietnam, South Korea. [...]'

What intrusive monitoring of personal data did Vietnam do? Border restrictions, enforced quarantine and travel bans, yes, they did.

They've agreed to buy the much-criticised Sputnik V vaccine, so they might not be in the clear yet... https://www.channelnewsasia.com/new...russian-covid-19-vaccine-state-media-13020744

And is it really fair to call South Korea an "authoritarian state"? I'm pretty sure most regard the post-1987 sixth republic as an open democracy. Mr Boles is living in the past and I suspect he wrote his conclusion first.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

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[roubaixtuesday]

Our government is indecisive, slow and we will all pay for it later: episode 1001 of N*

Based on current 7 day averages, France has just 20% more deaths than UK, and Germany has 6 times fewer than us.

France has about double the number of cases, Germany has just half as many.

Both countries are reported to be entering national lock downs as a result of the "alarming", "out of control" situation.

The UK was recommended to do so nearly six weeks ago by its own scientific advisors.

*rule 12 applies, regrettably.