Coronavirus outbreak

[marinyork]

19,724 new cases today , 137 deaths

 

[marinyork]

Contact tracers are having a lot of their calls blocked on mobile phone and test and trace know this. It's unclear what proportion of this is the people who are getting rung multiple times a day by different contact tracers and other people just blocking it.

 

[Edwardoka]

19,724 new cases today , 137 deaths

Hooray! We're back on our way to world-beating status!

Only India have us beat, I'm sure this has nothing to do with us having 4.7% the population they do...

 

[SpokeyDokey]

Just had a concerned message from a distant great aunt, (let's call her Janice), she's something like 80 and very frail. She's frightened to death of catching Covid because it'll likely be the end of her so if you do see her she insists you stay well away, quite right too.

Her granddaughter "Ellie" is at Leicester University, where she's apparently been feeling a bit homesick. So Ellie's mother offered to go and get her from Leicester and bring her back home, (they live near me somewhere). The plan was for her to have some time with her Mum to get over being homesick, but she mentioned to her Mum that she also misses "Granny" (Janice), so the Mum suggests that they both go to visit Janice, which they did at the weekend just gone.
But they don't sit outside, no, they go in, and Ellie and her Mum go giving Janice big hugs all round, Janice says she couldn't say no because she felt bad to insist that Ellie keeps her distance, what with her being homsesick and all. They stayed for over an hour.

Anyway, you guessed it, on Monday Ellie developed Covid symptoms and is now waiting on a test result. Round of applause for that genius.
I'm not sure how many red flags she needed to make her stop and think.

Similar - one very intelligent and rational friend is having his daughter back home from Uni for her birthday in a couple of weeks time - 'come what may'.

He lives in a Tier 2 area. Beyond belief.

 

[fossyant]

19,724 new cases today , 137 deaths

Fark, that's not good. It's the death's jumping up again.

 

[fossyant]

Similar - one very intelligent and rational friend is having his daughter back home from Uni for her birthday in a couple of weeks time - 'come what may'.

He lives in a Tier 2 area. Beyond belief.

Just talking to colleagues today and one or two have said they'd not follow any advice at Christmas and do what they want (Tier 2 area at present).

 

[fossyant]

Just had a concerned message from a distant great aunt, (let's call her Janice), she's something like 80 and very frail. She's frightened to death of catching Covid because it'll likely be the end of her so if you do see her she insists you stay well away, quite right too.

Her granddaughter "Ellie" is at Leicester University, where she's apparently been feeling a bit homesick. So Ellie's mother offered to go and get her from Leicester and bring her back home, (they live near me somewhere). The plan was for her to have some time with her Mum to get over being homesick, but she mentioned to her Mum that she also misses "Granny" (Janice), so the Mum suggests that they both go to visit Janice, which they did at the weekend just gone.
But they don't sit outside, no, they go in, and Ellie and her Mum go giving Janice big hugs all round, Janice says she couldn't say no because she felt bad to insist that Ellie keeps her distance, what with her being homsesick and all. They stayed for over an hour.

Anyway, you guessed it, on Monday Ellie developed Covid symptoms and is now waiting on a test result. Round of applause for that genius.
I'm not sure how many red flags she needed to make her stop and think.

High chance she's potentially hospitalised or killed her gran. FFS.

 

[alicat]

Just had a concerned message from a distant great aunt, (let's call her Janice), she's something like 80 and very frail. She's frightened to death of catching Covid because it'll likely be the end of her so if you do see her she insists you stay well away, quite right too.

Her granddaughter "Ellie" is at Leicester University, where she's apparently been feeling a bit homesick. So Ellie's mother offered to go and get her from Leicester and bring her back home, (they live near me somewhere). The plan was for her to have some time with her Mum to get over being homesick, but she mentioned to her Mum that she also misses "Granny" (Janice), so the Mum suggests that they both go to visit Janice, which they did at the weekend just gone.
But they don't sit outside, no, they go in, and Ellie and her Mum go giving Janice big hugs all round, Janice says she couldn't say no because she felt bad to insist that Ellie keeps her distance, what with her being homsesick and all. They stayed for over an hour.

Anyway, you guessed it, on Monday Ellie developed Covid symptoms and is now waiting on a test result. Round of applause for that genius.
I'm not sure how many red flags she needed to make her stop and think.

And neither of them stopped to think that the grandma didn't need to be worried until the test result was in if she was being cautious anyway.

 

[fossyant]

The bringing home for bbqs/family get togethers/visits happened on a mass scale in March/April/May for students at universities so it will be happening now. A lot of the time like at my uni it was supposedly the parents initiating it.

We've apparently had around 30% of students leave halls for home (and probably taken covid back as a free gift).

 

[Rusty Nails]

They better stay away from their grand parents then !

I keep hearing stuff about how much more socially aware and responsible young people are today, compared to previous generations. How it is the older generations who have cocked things up for the young.

This certainly gives the lie to that spurious argument.

The younger generations are no more or less sensible or responsible than they have ever been, and are capable of cocking things up without any help from the old.

 

[marinyork]

We've apparently had around 30% of students leave halls for home (and probably taken covid back as a free gift).

In late April/May I was out and about a lot completely on my own walking in parks nearby/passing student housing/accomodation. You could literally see it going on before your eyes seeing cars parking up with parents, the body language, loading stuff out of houses and setting off. It was like a minor version of the weekend before fresher's week/end of year move out at weekends. People posted they'd done it on-line. People told you afterwards. People said oh how is so and so doing, oh don't worry about them they went back to Norwich etc. I'm not sure the media is aware quite how much of this went on.

One of the ones that stuck in my mind was someone I used to volunteer with who in late April went home for a massive family BBQ that had about for a few hours and then travelled back at the end of the weekend back to student housing with 7 other people. I understand they did this family visit 3 times in March, April and May. At the time I was initially aware of one. Apparently some of the other 7 also did the same thing.

 

[matticus]

"matticus said:
So you don't think the selfish spreaders carry any responsibility?"

Wow. What was the basis of thinking the worst of me like that? Of course they do, but we've seen often enough that they're out there. Some are even posting on social media that covid is a hoax or similar. So public policy should adapt to combat them.

I didn't mean to have a dig at you personally - just wanted to point out that "we" (the public) are in this WITH the government; so it's a shared thing, I don't want the farkwits (who I still believe are the minority) to dodge blame by heaping it on our (not very good) current rulers.

 

[mjr]

I didn't mean to have a dig at you personally - just wanted to point out that "we" (the public) are in this WITH the government; so it's a shared thing, I don't want the farkwits (who I still believe are the minority) to dodge blame by heaping it on our (not very good) current rulers.

And I don't want our current government to dodge blame by heaping it on the farkwits. There are always farkwits. Stopping farkwits killing your population needlessly in predictable ways seems like one of the most basic tasks of a government.

 

[Edwardoka]

There are always farkwits.

Lots and lots of farkwits, as it happens:


View: https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1316392156559552512

The country is full of people who have completely lost touch with reality.

Although (he hastens to add), it's important to remember that social media isn't representative of reality.

 

[marinyork]

I keep hearing stuff about how much more socially aware and responsible young people are today, compared to previous generations. How it is the older generations who have cocked things up for the young.

The rule of six just means, rather like Whitty and others indirectly commented on the last few days that substantial mixing is still going on in households, outdoors in close proximity and indoors in private venues. It's just the numbers are down from lots of 10s/12s to 6 or pretending to be 6. Outdoors there are still loads of activities going on with people in 15s/18s etc not keeping any distance. I see them all the time. All of that means R above 1 and the situation we're in with about 15,000+ cases per day.