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marinyork

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Logopolis
Andy Burnham on tv presenting the case for greater manchester and details around tier 3. Finally a local leader saying something useful.
 

tom73

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
Are there any official estimates of the number of people with long covid?

If it is rare then it is not a big issue from a population point of view. On the other hand if medical treatment is saving significant numbers of lives you could expect patients to be saved but then experience issues and the numbers involved to be a multiple of the deaths I.e. 40000 x 2 = 8000 plus.

Some more papers are due out shortly. Including one which is a study of patients own experience of healthcare. The main issues is primary care pathways are not fully in place and not everyone reporting effects of long covid are being taken seriously. Some are still being told my GP's is nothing to bother about. A lot of work is currently ongoing to implement the new NHS long covid plan. Nice guidelines are also on the way. A number of leads on this have been giving evidence to select committees fro the last few weeks and wheels are moving. On the flip side the longer people are sick, longer they are not able to economically active. Though most will recover in time some may end up with life long chronic illness adding to economic damage in the long run.
 

tom73

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
Andy Burnham on tv presenting the case for greater manchester and details around tier 3. Finally a local leader saying something useful.
Not the best person to be around health issues he's never really fessed up his role in mid staffs.
All they mostly go on about is we want more money.
 

marinyork

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Logopolis
Some are still being told by GP's is nothing to bother about.

But not really surprising. GPs often say this about flu/respiratory illnesses to patients all winter long with 'long' symptoms. If that's what they are saying to people to illnesses with high percentages of symptoms they aren't going to say it to an illness which has 70% of people show no/'minor' symptoms initially. Covid is of course much more serious than some of these illnesses, however if it happens with those illnesses it's going to happen with covid.
 
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marinyork

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Not the best person to be around health issues he's never really fessed up his role in mid staffs.
All they mostly go on about is we want more money.

The presentation was a monetary presentation. Compared to the complete incompetence of local governing authorities up and down the land it's nice to see someone presenting something coherent for a change. Especially compared to Dan Jarvis.
 

tom73

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
But not really surprising. GPs often say this about flu/respiratory illnesses to patients all winter long. If that's what they are saying to people to illnesses with high percentages of symptoms they aren't going to say it to an illness which has 70% of people show no/'minor' symptoms initially. Covid is of course much more serious than some of these illnesses, however if it happens with those illnesses it's going to happen with others.
Agreed it's sadly part of the course for many. Me and Mrs73 had a bit of joke the other day as to what GP's are going to say at the moment given they can't really say the standard get out "oh it's virus".
 

tom73

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
The presentation was a monetary presentation. Compared to the complete incompetence of local governing authorities up and down the land it's nice to see someone presenting something coherent for a change. Especially compared to Dan Jarvis.
Oh yes good old Dan you've never any the wiser with him. One thing he likes though is building roads.
 
Something which mostly will be recommend "when" we have an inquiry into this whole mess.
Prediction: "Sorry, the person with the only copy of the inquiry left the company and deleted the files from his laptop."
 
So you don't think the selfish spreaders carry any responsibility? Government should be serving us, not parenting us.
Of course selfish spreaders and the "I'm alright Jack" mob carry some blame but in public health crises you have to act on the basis of the least compliant.
Any system that requires you to trust that everyone in a given population will do the right thing is guaranteed to fail.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
Not the best person to be around health issues he's never really fessed up his role in mid staffs.
All they mostly go on about is we want more money.
Six weeks after becoming health minister, Burnham ordered a public inquiry into Mid-Staffs that Parliament had refused to order. I'm not sure what else you think his role was?

Well that's good to know. I think.
Note well the use of word "may". With deaths only level, it might just be a blip on the way up even further. It looked like they might have peaked three weeks ago, but it's not fallen yet. :sad: At least it's 3 deaths/M and not the 15-18 seen in the first waves.

In general, I didn't find anywhere far enough on to say for sure they've seen the second wave yet. Most of the possibles are either fairly small, which makes the death rates per million fluctuate a lot, or have reporting that I don't really trust.
 

CanucksTraveller

Macho Business Donkey Wrestler
Location
Hertfordshire
Just had a concerned message from a distant great aunt, (let's call her Janice), she's something like 80 and very frail. She's frightened to death of catching Covid because it'll likely be the end of her so if you do see her she insists you stay well away, quite right too.

Her granddaughter "Ellie" is at Leicester University, where she's apparently been feeling a bit homesick. So Ellie's mother offered to go and get her from Leicester and bring her back home, (they live near me somewhere). The plan was for her to have some time with her Mum to get over being homesick, but she mentioned to her Mum that she also misses "Granny" (Janice), so the Mum suggests that they both go to visit Janice, which they did at the weekend just gone.
But they don't sit outside, no, they go in, and Ellie and her Mum go giving Janice big hugs all round, Janice says she couldn't say no because she felt bad to insist that Ellie keeps her distance, what with her being homsesick and all. They stayed for over an hour.

Anyway, you guessed it, on Monday Ellie developed Covid symptoms and is now waiting on a test result. Round of applause for that genius.
I'm not sure how many red flags she needed to make her stop and think.
 

marinyork

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Logopolis
The bringing home for bbqs/family get togethers/visits happened on a mass scale in March/April/May for students at universities so it will be happening now. A lot of the time like at my uni it was supposedly the parents initiating it.
 
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