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marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
I’m reposting my earlier question as I fear it may have been considered rhetorical but I really would like to know the answer...

For a while the leading paper was based on four macaques. Don't know now. Macaques based on this tiny sample said they could still pass it on.
 

tom73

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
I don't think it's "only possible" for sure, as maybe everyone was sweatily touching the same door handles or lockers, or maybe their laundry screwed up and cross-contaminated towels instead of cleaning them, but airborne transmission in an enclosed space certainly seems the most likely.

I also doubt mask-wearing would have prevented that completely, either. 61 cases from one suggests it was a pretty virulent breeding ground and cloth masks aren't completely effective. It might only have reduced it.

It's a difficult question: must some gyms (and probably other businesses) be closed and either bailed out or bankrupted in order to control the virus?
All of which has been looked into by public health. My point is not that mask will prevent it but that evidence to support mass public wearing of them is not in question ie as source control. Most of the measures that many focus on all assume it’s not airborne. The same arguments happen with measles. Given the type of activity in a confined space. It’s too difficult to infect a wide number of people.
 

marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
By that I meant immune from suffering from it. Just because you yourself can’t catch it, does that prevent you from harbouring and spreading it?

Also worth noting that although it sounds like complete jiggery pokery nasal sprays to limit infection are being worked on. Ironic if it works, having been asked all winter about tatt in pharmacies for nasal sprays that mostly make little difference one ends up saving the world!
 

tom73

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
Also worth noting that although it sounds like complete jiggery pokery nasal sprays to limit infection are being worked on. Ironic if it works, having been asked all winter about tatt in pharmacies for nasal sprays that mostly make little difference one ends up saving the world!
Thought they’d quietly left the room that idea came out early on I’m sure I’ve read something. Can’t see any lasting long enough to be worth it.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
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marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
INNA-051. Releases cytokines in the nasal cavity.
 

deptfordmarmoset

Full time tea drinker
Location
Armonmy Way
Right, the Covid-19 infection app has shown the number of active cases in my borough as falling....
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...so what a brilliant time to move us up into Tier 2! The ''justification'' for this is that local rather than national measures are best. Also, cases are rising in west London. Which of course is not local. And London has the population of a smallish European country.
 

fossyant

Ride It Like You Stole It!
Location
South Manchester
Right, the Covid-19 infection app has shown the number of active cases in my borough as falling....
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...so what a brilliant time to move us up into Tier 2! The ''justification'' for this is that local rather than national measures are best. Also, cases are rising in west London. Which of course is not local. And London has the population of a smallish European country.

The North went into higher lockdown in July, with figures a fraction of these... Tier 2 justified, but late - should have happened weeks ago.


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Manchester looking Like Tier 3 shortly, why did the Government not do Tier 3 with Liverpool - what was the point. That mini-turkey looking likely for Christmas.
 

deptfordmarmoset

Full time tea drinker
Location
Armonmy Way
The North went into higher lockdown in July, with figures a fraction of these... Tier 2 justified, but late - should have happened weeks ago.


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Manchester looking Like Tier 3 shortly, why did the Government not do Tier 3 with Liverpool - what was the point. That mini-turkey looking likely for Christmas.
My point is that, while the local situation is bad, it is not deteriorating and is actually better than it was when the tier nonsense began. There is no local justification for changing here from tier 1 to tier 2.
 

fossyant

Ride It Like You Stole It!
Location
South Manchester
My point is that, while the local situation is bad, it is not deteriorating and is actually better than it was when the tier nonsense began. There is no local justification for changing here from tier 1 to tier 2.

Welcome to our world 'oop North' My area is still the lowest in GM. But we all got locked down in July, then my area had a very brief reprise, then they said whole area again. Unfortunately, 'justification' isn't part of the Government's reasoning. You've been lucky in London area as Boris' has been keeping his mates happy.
 
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