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mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
So you don't think the selfish spreaders carry any responsibility?
Wow. What was the basis of thinking the worst of me like that? Of course they do, but we've seen often enough that they're out there. Some are even posting on social media that covid is a hoax or similar. So public policy should adapt to combat them.

Government should be serving us, not parenting us.
And that service should include protecting us from the farking idiots among us, doesn't it? You know, rather than appointing them as ministers and special advisors and letting them keep their jobs even after doing farking idiotic things...
 

tom73

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
How on Earth do we still have no UK PPE mask manufacturing? A wide range of countries have used emergency powers to enlist local factories to start producing PPE (including the USA, I think) so how deep is Johnson's commitment to laissez-faire to still not intervene? Free market economics over lives?
Because we don't have any means to make the material they are made from let alone a factory to make them. On the flip side we do make the material for gowns. One of the biggest producers at the hight of the 1st wave offered all it all could make to the government. Like many who offered stuff they never heard back. So all it's production was shipped to the US who gladly wanted all they could get.
As for emergency powers I've said this before it's not solely down to the current lot. Labours civil contingency bill never included manufacturing So unlike other level 2 responders no manufacturer can sign up and expect to get a call to switch production to other things. Or get rapid coordinated support with supply. We don't even have national informal list of placers able to change production to other things.
If you dig around you'll find we given plenty of PPE out to friends of friends and companies with no experience at all in PPE.
 

Low Gear Guy

Veteran
Location
Surrey
Are there any official estimates of the number of people with long covid?

If it is rare then it is not a big issue from a population point of view. On the other hand if medical treatment is saving significant numbers of lives you could expect patients to be saved but then experience issues and the numbers involved to be a multiple of the deaths I.e. 40000 x 2 = 8000 plus.
 

marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
Are there any official estimates of the number of people with long covid?

If it is rare then it is not a big issue from a population point of view. On the other hand if medical treatment is saving significant numbers of lives you could expect patients to be saved but then experience issues and the numbers involved to be a multiple of the deaths I.e. 40000 x 2 = 8000 plus.

Speculation that it's 10 to 20% depending on what you define it as. Viral symptoms more than 30 days later are not as uncommon as people think with flu and other viruses. SARS a lot of patients had long standing symptoms and there are papers out there on it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54296223

Covers a few aspects.
 

classic33

Leg End Member
Because we don't have any means to make the material they are made from let alone a factory to make them. On the flip side we do make the material for gowns. One of the biggest producers at the hight of the 1st wave offered all it all could make to the government. Like many who offered stuff they never heard back. So all it's production was shipped to the US who gladly wanted all they could get.
As for emergency powers I've said this before it's not solely down to the current lot. Labours civil contingency bill never included manufacturing So unlike other level 2 responders no manufacturer can sign up and expect to get a call to switch production to other things. Or get rapid coordinated support with supply. We don't even have national informal list of placers able to change production to other things.
If you dig around you'll find we given plenty of PPE out to friends of friends and companies with no experience at all in PPE.
https://lshubwales.com/news/uks-fir...-mask-manufacturing-facility-set-open-cardiff

https://www.themanufacturer.com/art...to-produce-ppe-and-equipment-for-nhs-workers/
 
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classic33

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Are there any official estimates of the number of people with long covid?

If it is rare then it is not a big issue from a population point of view. On the other hand if medical treatment is saving significant numbers of lives you could expect patients to be saved but then experience issues and the numbers involved to be a multiple of the deaths I.e. 40000 x 2 = 8000 plus.
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"National Institute for Health Research (NIHR) funded research on long Covid which is working with 10,000 patients to better understand the condition and refine appropriate treatment. "


https://www.england.nhs.uk/2020/10/nhs-to-offer-long-covid-help/
 
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Electric_Andy

Heavy Metal Fan
Location
Plymouth
I've just had to go into the office this morning. The site have made huge efforts to make it covid-safe. As I walked down the corridoor, two people passed me without masks on. Also we were asked to stop and wait in a wide area of the corridoor rather than walking past each other; that wasn't being followed either. FInally on the way home I popped into Morrisons to get some peanuts and there were two ladies inside the foyer standing right next to each other having a chat. It doesn't seem like the increased restrictions elsewhere have made anyone stop and think.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next

marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
I've just had to go into the office this morning. The site have made huge efforts to make it covid-safe. As I walked down the corridoor, two people passed me without masks on. Also we were asked to stop and wait in a wide area of the corridoor rather than walking past each other; that wasn't being followed either. FInally on the way home I popped into Morrisons to get some peanuts and there were two ladies inside the foyer standing right next to each other having a chat. It doesn't seem like the increased restrictions elsewhere have made anyone stop and think.

The free range humans have been like that for about 4 months.

Rule of six generally seems to being followed in the public realm, but with a few big notable exceptions knocking around.
 

tom73

Guru
Location
Yorkshire

That's one less problem at least we can make them.
I know many companies come forward and did some great stuff. They did it without prompting now that needs to be added to already well used process for local and national emergencies. Something which mostly will be recommend "when" we have an inquiry into this whole mess.
 
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