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SkipdiverJohn

Deplorable Brexiteer
Location
London
Don’t forget the ones that bang on about taking back control but their wives choose and buy their socks and underwear for them.:laugh:

So much stereotyping going on here, what a surprise. You missed out the tattoos, consuming curry but eschewing the foreign muck, and wearing football colours.
Must try harder next time. :laugh:
 

cookiemonster

Squire
Location
Hong Kong
So much stereotyping going on here, what a surprise. You missed out the tattoos, consuming curry but eschewing the foreign muck, and wearing football colours.
Must try harder next time. :laugh:

Yup. I agree but the socks and pants bought by their wives always gets me.
 

Stephenite

Membå
Location
OslO
I have a question which I can't find the answer to online. And I haven't lived in the UK for 20 years.

Are the quarantine rules enforced in the UK? If so, then how?

The background is - I know someone who is a bit of a twunt and is, of course, on holiday in Spain at the moment. Their plan is to return to the UK next week for a couple of days before setting off for another holibob in France. It's quite likely they will not adhere to the quarantine rules voluntarily.

Would the fact they're supposed to under quarantine be picked up at the airport if they tried to leave the UK? Is there a register of quarantined citizens? Do employers, GPs, health service, etc. get to find out? Or is it based on trust and social responsibility?
 

SkipdiverJohn

Deplorable Brexiteer
Location
London
First, any prosperity we had has been destroyed in the last 10 years, and that’s not coming back anytime soon I fear...... Also, this virus kills 2-12% of those who catch it.
British or English lager louts?

1) Usual leftist nonsense. Even in the financial crisis of 2008, the economy of the UK only shrank by single digit percentage, and that shrinkage has since been recovered. Unemployment pre-lockdown was below 4%, the lowest for 45 years in the UK, and one of the lowest jobless rates in the developed world.
2) No it doesn't. The true mortality rate is almost certainly substantially under 1% since official infection counts are only a small fraction of the real rate of infection, by a massive factor in countries with ineffective testing regimes and/or corrupt public institutions that cannot be trusted to report truthful numbers.
3) Lager louts are not a purely English phenomenon. I've met enough from the other nations of the UK. Same louts, just different accents.
 

cookiemonster

Squire
Location
Hong Kong
1) Not leftist nonsense, provable fact. The low unemployment rate has been caused by people taking huge wage cuts to protect their jobs, but this has not been reciprocated by bosses who continue to award themselves double digit pay increases while the staff get nothing. Also, many are 'under-employed' or on zero hour contracts, which does nothing to increase prosperity, except for those same bosses.

2) The mortality rate, depending on the area of the world, and the group of people affected, is between 2-12%. It's not under 1% and never has been. Figures are from John Hopkins University and the WHO. Speaking of those who cannot be trusted, Trump taking over the daily reporting of figures from the CDC? The infection rate, according to the above institutions and the CDC, is about 10x the official 3 million figure as so many people in the USA cannot afford to get tested.

See me after class. ^_^
 

SkipdiverJohn

Deplorable Brexiteer
Location
London
The infection rate, according to the above institutions and the CDC, is about 10x the official 3 million figure as so many people in the USA cannot afford to get tested.

That's the most credible comment you've made. The true infection rate throughout the developed world probably is about ten times larger than the official stats, because most people won't have had any reason to get tested unless they catch something that makes them sufficiently ill to require medical attention. So, in the USA, on current official numbers, the true total is probably north of 40 million cases, or about 1 in 8 of the entire population. In the developing world the multiplier between official and true infections is probably more like a factor of 25 or 50, given there is no way any society with loads of slum dwellers can possibly have lower virus infection rates than say, the ten most developed economies on earth. The virus is way, way, more widespread than any official numbers would suggest, and is one reason why it doesn't concern me overly. At the rate it is going, it will inevitably burn itself out over time anyway as it becomes less and less efficient at transmitting to new non-immune victims.
 

Stephenite

Membå
Location
OslO
I suspect you know the answer to all of those questions!

https://www.gov.uk/uk-border-control
Thanks for the link.

So they'll be likely refused permission to travel abroad within the quarantine period but, the bit "You may also be fined up to £1,000 if you refuse to self-isolate, or you could face further action." is as far as it goes? Not sure if that is enough of a deterrent with these people.
 

cookiemonster

Squire
Location
Hong Kong
That's the most credible comment you've made. The true infection rate throughout the developed world probably is about ten times larger than the official stats, because most people won't have had any reason to get tested unless they catch something that makes them sufficiently ill to require medical attention. So, in the USA, on current official numbers, the true total is probably north of 40 million cases, or about 1 in 8 of the entire population. In the developing world the multiplier between official and true infections is probably more like a factor of 25 or 50, given there is no way any society with loads of slum dwellers can possibly have lower virus infection rates than say, the ten most developed economies on earth. The virus is way, way, more widespread than any official numbers would suggest, and is one reason why it doesn't concern me overly. At the rate it is going, it will inevitably burn itself out over time anyway as it becomes less and less efficient at transmitting to new non-immune victims.


Unfortunately, due to the circumstances I've mentioned, I have to be concerned. And, I'm afraid, you should be to.
 

SkipdiverJohn

Deplorable Brexiteer
Location
London
In your circumstances, you would actually be better off catching it, then staying away from your household whilst you recover. That way, afterwards, you could be 100% sure you are not an infection danger to someone you come into contact with at high risk.
 

Julia9054

Guru
Location
Knaresborough
In your circumstances, you would actually be better off catching it, then staying away from your household whilst you recover. That way, afterwards, you could be 100% sure you are not an infection danger to someone you come into contact with at high risk.
As has been said many times, it is not death vs a bit of a cough. Despite being likely healthy enough not to end up in hospital, I do not want covid19. Everyone I know who has had it (none of whom have needed hospitalisation) has said it has wiped them out for weeks.
We also do not know enough about immunity to say with any certainty that once you have had it you are immune and no longer a risk to others.
 

cookiemonster

Squire
Location
Hong Kong

fossyant

Ride It Like You Stole It!
Location
South Manchester
In your circumstances, you would actually be better off catching it, then staying away from your household whilst you recover. That way, afterwards, you could be 100% sure you are not an infection danger to someone you come into contact with at high risk.

Erm, doesn't quite work like that. CM could still be carrying the virus on clothes/skin etc, and he has to be careful - he could have had it, who knows. I can see his concerns, and if you've got any relative who is at risk you'd understand. We can't go near MIL, and can only see her through glass talking to each other via skype so we can hear her.
 

tom73

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
Now look John just climb out of the skip once in a while and take time to understand that this "virus business". Has killed 1000's of people, left 1000's with post virus compilations, Left many with life changing effects of being ventilated for weeks and months. Brought many in the health service to breaking point, left families torn apart by not being with a loved one as they died. Unable to say they things you long to say when you know they don't have long. This "virus business" will not go away it's a virus it don't care who you are or if you've had enough of it.
It's out of our control and even yours. We can slow it down with face coverings, distancing and hand washing. We can treat some of it's effects (up to a point). We are now at a point though the interventions taken (which if done sooner would we'd have reached months ago) to allow most things to open up and start to do things as before. But if we don't all do what we need this "virus business" will once again been well into profit and the human cost will become even more. Most people by now the penny has dropped and they understand this "virus business"is not all about them and the need to keep safe but the need to save lives of others.

This "virus business" will go on for as long it takes and the actions of people like you will help to keep it going for much longer than it need's to be. So if you've had enough of this "virus business" then it's simple just man up and do what you've been asked to. It's not difficult or hard to do is it? Even my wives nephew who's 3 and is his sister who's 5 understands things are different and you need to keep away from others and why nanny and granddad have not been around much. Or why my wife was has not seen them for months and why she's missed his birthday.
 
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