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[SkipdiverJohn]

Apparently, him and his genetically weird family avoided $1 billion in tax that way.

Which tends to rather prove my point that Trump isn't dumb, no matter how his opponents try to portray him. Dumb people don't tend to ever manage to get hold of, or keep hold of, billions of dollars/pounds/whatever in the first place. The people who do amass such fortunes might not always be sweet loveable characters, but they aren't stupid either. Many are as cunning as a fox who fancies a chicken supper.

 

[cookiemonster]

Which tends to rather prove my point that Trump isn't dumb, no matter how his opponents try to portray him. Dumb people don't tend to ever manage to get hold of, or keep hold of, billions of dollars/pounds/whatever in the first place. The people who do amass such fortunes might not always be sweet loveable characters, but they aren't stupid either. Many are as cunning as a fox who fancies a chicken supper.

Proves what point except that, according to you, tax evasion is ok while teachers have to buy basic supplies for their school. And, he never kept hold of that billion(s) as he’s a 5x bankrupt. Your post makes no sense.

Tell me, why do you enjoy being lied to?

 

[raleighnut]

Which tends to rather prove my point that Trump isn't dumb, no matter how his opponents try to portray him. Dumb people don't tend to ever manage to get hold of, or keep hold of, billions of dollars/pounds/whatever in the first place. The people who do amass such fortunes might not always be sweet loveable characters, but they aren't stupid either. Many are as cunning as a fox who fancies a chicken supper.

No his lawyers are clever, apart from the ones that get caught out lying about payments to pornstars that is.

 

[SkipdiverJohn]

So, tax evasion is ok by you while teachers have to buy basic supplies for their school. And, he never kept hold of that billion(s) as he’s a 5x bankrupt.

Teachers don't have to buy anything. They get paid to turn up to teach and so long as they fulfill that obligation they get paid. No-one is forcing them to spend anything. If the school is short of teaching materials, it's their problem not the teachers. There's also far more money in the school system now than there ever was when I was at school. If basics are in short supply, then the money is being misused by whoever controls the budget. For example when I was at school virtually nothing got spent on furniture. The naughty boys, which sometimes included me, had to repair, sand down and re-varnish old school desks as detention punishments. That's how the schools managed - by not throwing money around on frivolities.
If Trump has gone bankrupt 5 times then he must have made a load of money that many times. He isn't penniless, so he must have some business acumen. Business bankruptcy is not considered anything out of the ordinary in the US, it just happens and people recover from it and start over again.

 

[cookiemonster]

Teachers don't have to buy anything. They get paid to turn up to teach and so long as they fulfill that obligation they get paid. No-one is forcing them to spend anything. If the school is short of teaching materials, it's their problem not the teachers. There's also far more money in the school system now than there ever was when I was at school. If basics are in short supply, then the money is being misused by whoever controls the budget. For example when I was at school virtually nothing got spent on furniture. The naughty boys, which sometimes included me, had to repair, sand down and re-varnish old school desks as detention punishments. That's how the schools managed - by not throwing money around on frivolities.
If Trump has gone bankrupt 5 times then he must have made a load of money that many times. He isn't penniless, so he must have some business acumen. Business bankruptcy is not considered anything out of the ordinary in the US, it just happens and people recover from it and start over again.

He’s a 5x bankrupt because he’s an idiot. Every business he’s touched has failed. Trump steaks, university (which he was fined 20 million for), airline, magazine, clothing (made in Mexico and China). The list is endless.

And, yes, teachers in the US do have to buy basic supplies. I’ve worked with American teachers here and they have told horror stories about the way education is run in the US. The money’s not there.

Again, I ask, why do you enjoy being lied to and enjoy lapping up those lies without a moment’s thought?

 

[raleighnut]

Teachers don't have to buy anything. They get paid to turn up to teach and so long as they fulfill that obligation they get paid. No-one is forcing them to spend anything. If the school is short of teaching materials, it's their problem not the teachers. There's also far more money in the school system now than there ever was when I was at school. If basics are in short supply, then the money is being misused by whoever controls the budget. For example when I was at school virtually nothing got spent on furniture. The naughty boys, which sometimes included me, had to repair, sand down and re-varnish old school desks as detention punishments. That's how the schools managed - by not throwing money around on frivolities.
If Trump has gone bankrupt 5 times then he must have made a load of money that many times. He isn't penniless, so he must have some business acumen. Business bankruptcy is not considered anything out of the ordinary in the US, it just happens and people recover from it and start over again.

You obviously don't know anybody who is teaching these days

 

[cookiemonster]

No his lawyers are clever, apart from the ones that get caught out lying about payments to pornstars that is.

What!? Have you seen Rudi Giulliani?

 

[SkipdiverJohn]

You obviously don't know anybody who is teaching these days

So where's all the money going then?. It's an indisputable fact that school spending in real terms is much higher than in previous times, so the money is out there and someone is spending it on something. If the budget holder has got a warped sense of priorities, then that is their responsibility, not the government for not providing a bottomless bucket of cash.

 

[srw]

I suspect that you will never buy it, no matter how good the sales pitch.

And yet clearly some sales pitches are really appealing to him...

Like the ones underlying these...

He's built a multi-billion dollar real estate empire

If Trump has gone bankrupt 5 times then he must have made a load of money that many times.

As others have pointed out he hasn't built anything. He's like the punchline to the proverbial joke - "Hpw do you make a million in farming?" "Start with 10 million" - except that any old idiot ought to be able to make money out of a property empire in the middle of an economic boom. It takes a really special idiot not only to turn a large property empire into a small one, but also to go bankrupt multiple times. Despite what you say, bankruptcy is a sign of failure - even in the US. It's just that the US has reasonably generous laws that enable failures to bounce back quickly if they can persuade someone to fund them again.

 

[srw]

It's an indisputable fact that school spending in real terms is much higher than in previous times

No it's not. It's wrong.

https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/14344
It really should be no surprise to anyone that school spending peaked under the last government to take education seriously.

Incidentally, that was the second result for a search for "school spending real terms UK", so I don't think you can have done your research particularly effectively

 

[raleighnut]

So where's all the money going then?. It's an indisputable fact that school spending in real terms is much higher than in previous times, so the money is out there and someone is spending it on something. If the budget holder has got a warped sense of priorities, then that is their responsibility, not the government for not providing a bottomless bucket of cash.

Spending in schools was at it's highest in the 50s and 60s it had started to decline in the 70s and by the 90s all schools were strapped for cash to the point of selling off playing fields for development.

 

[cookiemonster]

So where's all the money going then?. It's an indisputable fact that school spending in real terms is much higher than in previous times, so the money is out there and someone is spending it on something. If the budget holder has got a warped sense of priorities, then that is their responsibility, not the government for not providing a bottomless bucket of cash.

Where’s all the money gone? Into Free Schools and Academies, where the CEO gets paid more money than the PM, where these companies are based in overseas tax havens, where Victorian style discipline has had a few of then hauled over the coals and employing non-qualified teachers on min wage who are not guaranteed their salaries at the end of each month hence the regular involvement of the IR to sort it out.

Also, add in PPP projects that seemingly only benefit those that tend to hand over 5/6 figure cheques to a certain political party.

A few reasons why I left education in the UK to head abroad. Many other teachers have done the same thing. But right wingers don’t seem to care too much about education it seems.

 

[stowie]

If Trump has gone bankrupt 5 times then he must have made a load of money that many times. He isn't penniless, so he must have some business acumen. Business bankruptcy is not considered anything out of the ordinary in the US, it just happens and people recover from it and start over again.

Money makes money. Trump's father was a very successful businessman - Trump inherited not much short of half a billion dollars between the ages of 3 and 53.

This much cash should get a decent return even if you are economically only semi-literate. It is enough money to invest heavily in numerous areas to mitigate risk from one particular investment.

Trump managed to make spectacularly poor decisions even with this huge head start.

The real place he made money was in licensing agreements for the Trump name and The Apprentice in the US. Where the producers readily admit they thought it was a funny joke to get Trump on the show - at the time he was viewed at the time as a bit of a washed up playboy with a string of bankruptcies. But people loved it and it appears some believed it was real. The Trump licensing was profitable for Trump but born from the fact that banks weren't willing to lend him the money to do the development part himself.

 

[Mugshot]

You'd be surprised just how many Brits are actually big fans of Trump

Unfortunately it really isn't surprising.
I'd have a wild stab in the dark that most of them voted Brexit, have an overly relaxed opinion to the Covid threat, feel threatened by Greta Thunberg, deny climate change, say "All lives matter", think Antifa is a terrorist organisation, wear pyjamas to Tesco, have a ruddy complexion etc
Yeah, I know the type.

 

[MntnMan62]

Well let's look at how moronic his achievements have been to date. He's built a multi-billion dollar real estate empire. He took on and beat the longstanding political establishment for the presidential candidacy in his own party. Then he took on and beat the political establishment to win the actual presidency, against the conventional wisdom. Whilst Trump might ruffle a lot of feathers, he is anything but a moron. He knows exactly what he's doing. The Democrat politicians who are currently sitting back and allowing a state of riotous anarchy to exist on the streets of multiple cities are just giving him a helping hand!

Ok. You lost me when you said he built a multi-billion real estate empire. He most definitely DID NOT. That comment alone means you don't know anything about him. First of all, he inherited his money from his father, Fred Trump. Fred built tens of thousands of rental apartments in Brooklyn and Queens and built thousands of homes on Long Island. His father was a legitimate billionaire. Donald inherited a minimum of half a billion. And his father handed him The Trump Organization. An already existing monster of a real estate company. If you were to be able to do the simple math to calculate it, you would see that if he had taken his inheritence and invested it in S&P500 Index Funds, he would have more money than he even claims to have now. And the reason I am qualified to say all of this is because during the course of my 35 year real estate career in NYC, one of the accounts that I was responsible for for about 19 years was a trust account set up for Donald and his 4 siblings by their father Fred. And during the course of handling those assets I dealt with his brother Robert. In addition, I represented a client who bought an apartment in one of his condominium conversions in Manhattan and during that transaction I dealt with Don Jr. I'm definitely not bragging here. Nothing I've said is worth bragging about. But it does validate what I know about the family. In addition, while he took on and beat the longstanding Republican political establishment for the presidential candidacy and then won the actual presidency, it's a fact that his motivation was originally a joke. He never thought he would win. Proof of that was his own son Don Jr. who said that after the election Don Jr. walked up to his father and saw that he was white as a ghost with all the blood drained out of his face and he quoted his father as saying "So, now what?" And everything he's done since shows he has no idea what he is doing. Everything since is motivated to feed his fragile ego. History will show that he has been a complete failure.

Oh, and one more thing. There is no riotous anarchy taking place in multiple cities. They are called protests. Those protests are a direct product of drumpf's rhetoric. I laugh as you sit there halfway across the world and you think you know anything about what is happening here? Everything you've said above is incorrect. But like I said before, you go ahead and keep talking. It just shows how little you know about the subject.