Coronavirus outbreak

[marinyork]

The numbers for the whole of Belgium don't interest me, they are about the same as where I live and were reported yesterday as the figures you said and as per 100,000. Antwerp, or divisions of Belgium I haven't seen. I wondered whether there was anywhere else as high as antwerp in a similar way Spanish representatives the last 3 days have been quoting national figures and sleight of hand not been mentioning figues for local ones (although they have been open on the number of outbreaks).

I don't particularly have issue with the discrepency between test numbers and ONS numbers. It may be currently telling us test and trace isn't working and we have have mini superspreading events.

 

[bitsandbobs]

The numbers for the whole of Belgium don't interest me, they are about the same as where I live and were reported yesterday as the figures you said and as per 100,000. Antwerp, or divisions of Belgium I haven't seen. I wondered whether there was anywhere else as high as antwerp in a similar way Spanish representatives the last 3 days have been quoting national figures and sleight of hand not been mentioning figues for local ones (although they have been open on the number of outbreaks).

I don't particularly have issue with the discrepency between test numbers and ONS numbers. It may be currently telling us test and trace isn't working and we have have mini superspreading events.

There's nowhere else with numbers comparable to Antwerp.

For the first time yesterday, someone asked me to put on a mask on the street - this in a residential area of Gent. There are certain streets in the centre where it's mandatory to wear a mask, even outside, but I'm pretty sure it's not a requirement where I was. Having said that, it's a job keeping up with the current rules at the moment given the decentralized nature of the regulations.

 

[midlife]

Here in Cumbria Track and Trace say about 20% of contact details given to pubs are false

Track and Trace cant actually "Track and Trace" so they have to name the pubs in the local papers instead !

https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/...rith-pubs-specific-times-told-get-covid-test/

 

[marinyork]

Here in Cumbria Track and Trace say about 20% of contact details given to pubs are false

Track and Trace cant actually "Track and Trace" so they have to name the pubs in the local papers instead !

https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/...rith-pubs-specific-times-told-get-covid-test/

That's actually how aspects of it should work.

I have been a bit worried by the stuff I've seen reported for pubs/contact tracing elsewhere where it appears there's just a massive data dump where everyone who visit an establishment on a day is told to self isolate for fourteen days. There was a bit of argy bargy between skipdriverjohn and bromptonbruce the other day on this which reflects public trust.

If someone is deemed high risk i.e. less than 2 metres distance from someone confirmed as having it for more than 15 minutes and particularly inside they should be tested. This is the complete nonsense of the UK approach. They may have to be tested 2-3 days later or a second time until the virus would show up, but they need to be tested as in other countries. If the public suspect massive data dumps where everyone on a particular day is told to self isolate for 14 days even if they test negative then the economy will collapse or people will not follow the rules.

 

[marinyork]

There's nowhere else with numbers comparable to Antwerp.

For the first time yesterday, someone asked me to put on a mask on the street - this in a residential area of Gent. There are certain streets in the centre where it's mandatory to wear a mask, even outside, but I'm pretty sure it's not a requirement where I was. Having said that, it's a job keeping up with the current rules at the moment given the decentralized nature of the regulations.

That's good if no where is as high as Antwerp.

There's a lot of inconsistency in comparing places, for example a lot of these Spanish places have rates not much lower than cities that were 'worrying' to people in the UK on this board and elsewhere. The UK media outlet tends to quote the overall national rate such as for Belgium and Spain which is stoking a lot of jolly holiday anger on UK media at the moment and a lot of other people who are having a lot to deal with isolating or trying to travel back. There was also a lot of wrangles between Portugal and the UK and the true picture shows more consistency by the UK government and Foreign office than first appears.

I do think Italy's numbers are probably a little problematic in terms of where testing is located and how much is going on.

 

[fossyant]

Oldham is extending restrictions to avoid a lockdown - big rise in cases

https://www.oldham.gov.uk/coronavirus

 

[byegad]

Here in Cumbria Track and Trace say about 20% of contact details given to pubs are false

Track and Trace cant actually "Track and Trace" so they have to name the pubs in the local papers instead !

https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/...rith-pubs-specific-times-told-get-covid-test/

Well naming the pub is a Good Move to me. Our 'local' reopened at 06.00h on the Saturday and by 18.00h that day was closed by the police because, in the words of a copper I know.....'They were taking the piss!'
I know people are not enjoying the restrictions but to let the ignorant and selfish take undue risks that will infect others is not on.

 

[mjr]

The numbers for the whole of Belgium don't interest me, they are about the same as where I live and were reported yesterday as the figures you said and as per 100,000. Antwerp, or divisions of Belgium I haven't seen. I wondered whether there was anywhere else as high as antwerp in a similar way Spanish representatives the last 3 days have been quoting national figures and sleight of hand not been mentioning figues for local ones (although they have been open on the number of outbreaks).

AFP articles say Antwerp accounts for about half of Belgium's cases. Example https://www.thejournal.ie/belgium-antwerp-coronavirus-5161601-Jul2020/

If that's the city and not the same-named province, Antwerp has about 140 new cases a day in 521'000 people, or about 27 per 100'000.

 

[mjr]

There's nowhere else with numbers comparable to Antwerp.

For the first time yesterday, someone asked me to put on a mask on the street - this in a residential area of Gent. There are certain streets in the centre where it's mandatory to wear a mask, even outside, but I'm pretty sure it's not a requirement where I was. Having said that, it's a job keeping up with the current rules at the moment given the decentralized nature of the regulations.

Compulsory mask areas should be displaying a white-on-blue circular sign showing a masked face, often plastic cable-tied to lampposts, but something. It's now a mayoral power AIUI.

 

[tom73]

Here in Cumbria Track and Trace say about 20% of contact details given to pubs are false

Track and Trace cant actually "Track and Trace" so they have to name the pubs in the local papers instead !

https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/...rith-pubs-specific-times-told-get-covid-test/

Always going to be a problem some just don't see the point in any of this. But with no data controls in place some who do once they see all they have. Is a pen and and bit of paper at the door that lords knows who get's to see will sadly make a few willing sole think twice.
It's just another area of lack of confidence in the whole test and trace process. As I understand it the data if required by PHE the pub ect has to enter them on central system. So on top of false information this could also lead to errors. Now if it was just all thought out and joined up it could a pre booking requirement that each person enters the information before they arrive. So no one see the data and it's secure it would help add confidence in the process. Once done they get sent confirmation which they have to show at the pub door. Now that would require a bit of thinking and planning which the government is not keen on.

 

[mjr]

Not only would it require thinking and planning, but it'd kill casual pub and cafe visits stone dead and drive even more out of business.

I think it would be better to prohibit pubs sharing personal data unless there's a confirmed case. At the minute, with all the stuff about twenty years data retention, "track and trace" is a toxic brand.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

Must make the organisation of pub crawls a bit difficult.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

Apparently there's a Newsnight tonight dealing with the origins of the ''lockdown fatigue'' notion that led the UK to delay going into lockdown. I caught the Radio 5pm programme discussing it and it didn't seem clear who was responsible for feeding the notion into government thinking. And, of course, nobody now seems to own this unproven theory that led to thousands of otherwise preventable deaths. BBC2, 22:45.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

^ https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000l9x0/newsnight-29072020 - a short quote in the first minute and then at 14:27mins in.

 

[tom73]

Official self isolation period now 10 day
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...tension-of-self-isolation-period-30-july-2020
Wise move and for once a proactive one which have been a bit thin on the ground.
The more we find out and learn about covid and how contagious this is extended the use of face covers in other public spacers. Will need updated well before winter if. If we want to keep case numbers down along with upping the public health message going hard now will save a lot of time later. Things are starting to slip a bit too quickly at the moment.