Coronavirus outbreak

[Stephenite]

In your circumstances, you would actually be better off catching it, then staying away from your household whilst you recover. That way, afterwards, you could be 100% sure you are not an infection danger to someone you come into contact with at high risk.

This reminds me of the 'medical advice' for hay fever from bloke-in-the-pub experts in the 80s:

Put your head in a haystack until the symptoms stop.

 

[raleighnut]

This reminds me of the 'medical advice' for hay fever from bloke-in-the-pub experts in the 80s:

Put your head in a haystack until the symptoms stop.

That's similar for the surefire cure for seasickness,

Spoiler

Spoiler

Sit under a Tree.

 

[a.twiddler]

In your circumstances, you would actually be better off catching it, then staying away from your household whilst you recover. That way, afterwards, you could be 100% sure you are not an infection danger to someone you come into contact with at high risk.

To use an analogy with seasickness: when you first have it you are afraid you are going to die, but after you have had it a bit longer you are afraid that you won't. I have never had seasickness, airsickness or even hay fever. My wife does, and even though she loves her garden, it makes her life a misery for several months each year. Just because I don't suffer from any of these doesn't mean that I have no consideration for those who do.

Unfortunately for Skipdiverjohn's and others' simplistic and egocentred worldview there are worse things than death. If he were not self aware enough to feel remorse and shame that his own actions or inactions might have led to the potential death, temporary or even permanent disability of another person, then the risk of it happening to him might motivate him to straighten up and fly right. You can waffle on for ever about percentage of risk etc but if the worst happens to you yourself that will seriously mess up your world. The worst being permanent disability, chronic pain and loss of independence, and having to depend on others for everything.

So for the foreseeable future this is the "new normal" and while things may get better over time it may never be as it was before. We need to accept that, take precautions to the best of our current knowledge, which can change, and adapt accordingly. For a population brought up on instant gratification, everything "on demand", promotion of individual rights over responsibilities, it will be hard, but it must be done.
Even so, we might anticipate a second wave if relaxation of lockdown measures is not carefully controlled.

 

[srw]

So they'll be likely refused permission to travel abroad

I very much doubt it. Britain has few exit controls.

 

[MntnMan62]

Oh, and by the way, no self-respecting Englishman ever drinks the American version of Bud. It's shite. Even most of the British lager louts with very undiscerning tastes indeed don't drink it.

When I visited London and went to a pub for some hand drawn ale, or what you call cask ale, while waiting for the pour I looked around and realized that all the locals were drinking Bud. I asked the bartender why and he said “They like it.” And I swear you were in a corner trying to hide your Bud from full view. It’s ok John. Everyone else likes it so I guess you can too. No reason to be ashamed.

 

[MntnMan62]

In your circumstances, you would actually be better off catching it, then staying away from your household whilst you recover. That way, afterwards, you could be 100% sure you are not an infection danger to someone you come into contact with at high risk.

This comment shows a complete and total lack of understanding of the virus and what it does to people. Keep up the good work skippy. You're doing great.

 

[PK99]

As has been said many times, it is not death vs a bit of a cough. Despite being likely healthy enough not to end up in hospital, I do not want covid19. Everyone I know who has had it (none of whom have needed hospitalisation) has said it has wiped them out for weeks.
We also do not know enough about immunity to say with any certainty that once you have had it you are immune and no longer a risk to others.

My wife (63) had it and it wiped her out for a week - in the same way a medium grade flu does

I (64) had it 5 days after she started and it wiped me out for 48 hours, then a few day later my sense of smell completely (sic) disappeared for a week.

A cycling colleague in mid 60's died

A local friend in 70's, was rough at home for a couple of weeks and is now back to normal.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

Is it ok to fly to Spain if you're checking your eyesight?

 

[DaveReading]

Is it ok to fly to Spain if you're checking your eyesight?

Not if you're the pilot.

 

[srw]

My wife (63) had it and it wiped her out for a week - in the same way a medium grade flu does

I (64) had it 5 days after she started and it wiped me out for 48 hours, then a few day later my sense of smell completely (sic) disappeared for a week.

A cycling colleague in mid 60's died

A local friend in 70's, was rough at home for a couple of weeks and is now back to normal.

Lucky you. All of you.

Here's another story
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...im-still-dealing-with-pain-fatigue-and-misery - and there are plenty more like that.

...and there are tens of thousands of stories of dead people in this country alone.

 

[mjr]

Belgium back pedals on unlocking, due to the increase in cases in Antwerp, primarily. Number of people you can meet is cut from 15 to 5 (back to UK level), maximum sizes of public events cut in half to 200 outside and 100 indoors, private events to 10, the 30 minutes shopping limit is reintroduced and workers are begged to work from home. Town centre outdoor face covering is expected to spread but that's been delegated to mayors. Brussels's summer funfair has been cancelled.

It's also interesting the measures not taken: cinemas and gyms are encouraged but not required to keep visitor contact details, and there's no mention of reintroducing travel restrictions or forcing a local lockdown on Antwerp's conservative-nationalist mayor who is a leading player/obstacle in federal government coalition-building.

Belgium remains one of the countries with the most open statistics and closest matches between covid death estimates and excess deaths. They react much more quickly than Boris's eleven days urgency.

 

[marinyork]

What are the numbers per 100,000 apart from antwerp? Here it was reported 100 per 100,000.

The entire region of Aragon in Spain is 160 per 100,000.

 

[mjr]

What are the numbers per 100,000 apart from antwerp? Here it was reported 100 per 100,000.

The entire region of Aragon in Spain is 160 per 100,000.

100 and 160 what?

The figure motivating them is a weekly moving average of 279 new cases a day, in a population of about 11.5m, so that would be about 1680 new cases a day in a UK population. The UK currently has about 680.

 

[marinyork]

100 and 160 what?

The figure motivating them is a weekly moving average of 279 new cases a day, in a population of about 11.5m, so that would be about 1680 new cases a day in a UK population. The UK currently has about 680.

7 day averages per day of cases of new infections.

Just a bit odd to me as I'm listening to the coverage about spain and virtually no one is talking about the figures, just how 'safe' Spain is.

The UK positive tests is about 700 but iirc projected to be 2800 per day.

 

[mjr]

7 day averages per day of cases of new infections. [...]

The UK positive tests is about 700 but iirc projected to be 2800 per day.

True: I should have written the UK claims 680, given its reputation for inaccuracy.

So you can work out what you want from what I posted?

And what are the figures for Spain and its interesting bits?