Coronavirus outbreak

[raleighnut]

Unfortunately it really isn't surprising.
I'd have a wild stab in the dark that most of them voted Brexit, have an overly relaxed opinion of the Covid threat, feel threatened by Greta Thunberg, deny climate change, say "All lives matter", think Antifa is a terrorist organisation, wear pyjamas to Tesco, have a ruddy complexion etc
Yeah, I know the type.

You've met some of them too.

 

[MntnMan62]

No his Father built up the property empire then gifted it to his kids and various 'trusts' in order to avoid income tax, if you're gonna idolise the feckwit at least have some grasp on the truth.

His father did use trusts but they don't avoid income tax. They defer estate taxes. Trusts still must pay income taxes on the income earned by the assets in the trust. But everything else you said was spot on. Especially that last bit there. I liked that a lot.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

Anyone from Spain after midnight tonight is self quarantined for 2 weeks.

I gather Shapps was on his way to Spain. It sounds like a hapless government might now be Shappsless.

 

[marinyork]

I gather Shapps was on his way to Spain. It sounds like a hapless government might now be Shappsless.

I did wonder about that and saw it said an hour ago he was believed to have holiday plans in Spain.

No more new transport announcements for a couple of weeks. Probably means by the time he gets back it'll be forced coronavirus testing through eating haribo and smurf workplace documentation.

 

[fossyant]

Just seen constant flights come into Manchester - just watching 5 stack up now at 11:30 on flight radar. Not seen that many for weeks.....

 

[fossyant]

Another 3 making a last run in !!!

 

[classic33]

Let's cut to the chase, this virus business has been dragging on so long now everyone has had enough of it and this regulation and that regulation. No-one is going to give a monkey's about observing quarantine or self-isolation, and no-one is going to give their details so they can be traced and told to self-isolate. I didn't see one single person fill out a contact detail form when drinking in the pub yesterday, and I'm certainly not going to do so either.

The airlines they flew with already have those details.

 

[fossyant]

Last one gone over - not seen that many since March....

 

[qigong chimp]

Ok. You lost me when you said he built a multi-billion real estate empire. He most definitely DID NOT. That comment alone means you don't know anything about him. First of all, he inherited his money from his father, Fred Trump. Fred built tens of thousands of rental apartments in Brooklyn and Queens and built thousands of homes on Long Island. His father was a legitimate billionaire. Donald inherited a minimum of half a billion. And his father handed him The Trump Organization. An already existing monster of a real estate company. If you were to be able to do the simple math to calculate it, you would see that if he had taken his inheritence and invested it in S&P500 Index Funds, he would have more money than he even claims to have now. And the reason I am qualified to say all of this is because during the course of my 35 year real estate career in NYC, one of the accounts that I was responsible for for about 19 years was a trust account set up for Donald and his 4 siblings by their father Fred. And during the course of handling those assets I dealt with his brother Robert. In addition, I represented a client who bought an apartment in one of his condominium conversions in Manhattan and during that transaction I dealt with Don Jr. I'm definitely not bragging here. Nothing I've said is worth bragging about. But it does validate what I know about the family. In addition, while he took on and beat the longstanding Republican political establishment for the presidential candidacy and then won the actual presidency, it's a fact that his motivation was originally a joke. He never thought he would win. Proof of that was his own son Don Jr. who said that after the election Don Jr. walked up to his father and saw that he was white as a ghost with all the blood drained out of his face and he quoted his father as saying "So, now what?" And everything he's done since shows he has no idea what he is doing. Everything since is motivated to feed his fragile ego. History will show that he has been a complete failure.

Oh, and one more thing. There is no riotous anarchy taking place in multiple cities. They are called protests. Those protests are a direct product of drumpf's rhetoric. I laugh as you sit there halfway across the world and you think you know anything about what is happening here? Everything you've said above is incorrect. But like I said before, you go ahead and keep talking. It just shows how little you know about the subject.

What a take down!

 

[mjr]

Strange how right wingers always shout that everyone bar them do not live in the real world.

Never mind: if they keep on as they seem to be, covid will mean they're soon not living in any world. It just sucks that they'll probably take a dozen others with them :-(

 

[mjr]

Of course British tourists will observe the 14 day quarantine, come on folks!

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I rather suspect that the sort of people who will say it's all bull feathers and they won't quarantine voluntarily are also generally the sort to have bragged that they're off to Spain because it's all bull feathers, so everyone at work and down the pub and whatever will know they've been in lurgy land and not want them there for a week or two. There could be some interesting vigilante acts next week :-\

 

[MntnMan62]

Let's cut to the chase, this virus business has been dragging on so long now everyone has had enough of it and this regulation and that regulation. No-one is going to give a monkey's about observing quarantine or self-isolation, and no-one is going to give their details so they can be traced and told to self-isolate. I didn't see one single person fill out a contact detail form when drinking in the pub yesterday, and I'm certainly not going to do so either.

Quite simply.....fantastic. This "virus business" is certainly tough to deal with. I think everyone can say that. But the reality is that humans aren't in control. By saying "everyone has had enough of it" suggests that we can just all of a sudden forget it exists and proceed to move on with our lives like nothing happened. Yeah. Maybe you haven't seen any news about your favorite place, 'Murica, but lots of people thought the same thing and did exactly as you are suggesting and wow, look at that. There are now more new and active cases in the US than at any time since February. And in another week we'll start to see the death toll follow suit. And because of what is taking place here, most governors decided to cancel the opening of bars, restaurants and such. But you John should most definitely head to the nearest pub and order yourself a Budweiser. Ah heck, just order an entire six pack. And have yourself a royal good time.

 

[SkipdiverJohn]

so everyone at work and down the pub and whatever will know they've been in lurgy land and not want them there for a week or two.

There's not much difference in the amount of coronavirus in Spain as there is the the UK, so the idea that everyone who has been there is going to get infected and bring the virus back with them is the usual hysterical nonsense coming from the usual fearmongering drama queens. If there's one place where I do think it's a real risk that more virus could come from, that's India, because the official numbers are simply implausibly low given the size of the population and overcrowded living conditions. I wouldn't be surprised if we see increases of cases there of a quarter of a million per day within the next week, and they will soon exceed the USA and Brazil numbers combined.

Quite simply.....fantastic. This "virus business" is certainly tough to deal with. I think everyone can say that. But the reality is that humans aren't in control. By saying "everyone has had enough of it" suggests that we can just all of a sudden forget it exists and proceed to move on with our lives like nothing happened.

That's exactly what needs to happen. A return to normality. The virus is going to be around for years to come in varying amounts in countless locations across the planet. It's going nowhere. Even if a working vaccine is developed, not everyone will have it, and the virus could well have mutated by then anyway - which could render any vaccine less effective or even completely ineffective. We have two choices; either we all go into hiding away from the virus for a few years and destroy all our prosperity that has taken centuries to achieve, or we accept that it's still out there, it will remain out there, and that sooner or later a high proportion of us will catch it, and just get on with daily life regardless.
Oh, and by the way, no self-respecting Englishman ever drinks the American version of Bud. It's shite. Even most of the British lager louts with very undiscerning tastes indeed don't drink it.

 

[cookiemonster]

Unfortunately it really isn't surprising.
I'd have a wild stab in the dark that most of them voted Brexit, have an overly relaxed opinion to the Covid threat, feel threatened by Greta Thunberg, deny climate change, say "All lives matter", think Antifa is a terrorist organisation, wear pyjamas to Tesco, have a ruddy complexion etc
Yeah, I know the type.

Don’t forget the ones that bang on about taking back control but their wives choose and buy their socks and underwear for them.

 

[cookiemonster]

There's not much difference in the amount of coronavirus in Spain as there is the the UK, so the idea that everyone who has been there is going to get infected and bring the virus back with them is the usual hysterical nonsense coming from the usual fearmongering drama queens. If there's one place where I do think it's a real risk that more virus could come from, that's India, because the official numbers are simply implausibly low given the size of the population and overcrowded living conditions. I wouldn't be surprised if we see increases of cases there of a quarter of a million per day within the next week, and they will soon exceed the USA and Brazil numbers combined.



That's exactly what needs to happen. A return to normality. The virus is going to be around for years to come in varying amounts in countless locations across the planet. It's going nowhere. Even if a working vaccine is developed, not everyone will have it, and the virus could well have mutated by then anyway - which could render any vaccine less effective or even completely ineffective. We have two choices; either we all go into hiding away from the virus for a few years and destroy all our prosperity that has taken centuries to achieve, or we accept that it's still out there, it will remain out there, and that sooner or later a high proportion of us will catch it, and just get on with daily life regardless.
Oh, and by the way, no self-respecting Englishman ever drinks the American version of Bud. It's shite. Even most of the British lager louts with very undiscerning tastes indeed don't drink it.

First, any prosperity we had has been destroyed in the last 10 years, and that’s not coming back anytime soon I fear. Also, this virus kills 2-12% of those who catch it. Are you suggesting that we just get on with it while people are still dropping dead? I certainly don’t want to catch something so infectious as I could pass it on to Mr Cookiemonster, who has HIV. If he catches this, it’s game over potentially but you wouldn’t understand that as it means having to look out for your fellow human and that is something right wingers do not do. Anyone who actually cares and worries about this is a drama queen!? This is my concern about the mentality of those on the right. No empathy and a total lack of concern for their fellow human, hence my point about prosperity. That’s what’s destroyed it and why it’ll be a while before it returns.

British or English lager louts?