The tests are slow, one of the reasons Boris going on about splurging dosh on tech (maybe help in future pandemics).
As said up thread somewhere there was an edict for testing ICU wards for the virus. Whether that happens or when tests run out.
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The tests are slow, one of the reasons Boris going on about splurging dosh on tech (maybe help in future pandemics).
As said up thread somewhere there was an edict for testing ICU wards for the virus. Whether that happens or when tests run out.
RecordAceFromNew
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The government can certainly advice, for schools to be closed, for all crowded activities avoided, for companies asking people working from home if at all possible, telling people how to use what masks etc. etc.
For anybody who has the time, I strongly recommend reading this WHO report, which is full of lessons learnt - what was done in China and why they did it is sobering - I am not optimistic this government, or most western governments, will/can mobilise people similarly to deal with the problem.
Since the government is hardly doing anything, what I think is going to happen is more people will be infected, and die, before fear gives rise to the same restrictions, whether self imposed or otherwise. With Italy, we have a live "case study" right in front of our own eyes right now. I suspect we will be just like them, it is just a matter of time.
nickyboy
Norven Mankey
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In many ways China "took one for the team" in imposing the restrictions they did. They could have adopted less restrictive practices like Western countries are doing and hurt their economy less. But they didn't and this caused a delay in the spread of the virus. This delay has been invaluable to Western countries.
I am impressed by the CMO and I'm also impressed by the government following the science to make decisions (but being just into a 5 year term with a large majority makes this decision easy, unlike for Trump). I remain hopeful that the fundamental feeling of civic duty will ensure we all do everything we can to minimise the effect of CV
I think you missed the joke.
Smokin Joe
Squire
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I've dug out my old laptop which runs on Linux, so I should be safe.
I'm immune to the them.
kingrollo
Guru
Thats exactly as I see it. Johnson seems to be focusing on the aftermath - its almost as though they want to 'get it over with' - We are being primed for a horrible couple of months - when the health services will not be able to cope.
The draconian measures in china seem to have worked - the less severe measures don't - that said the uk cases haven't racked up as much as I though I thought we would be in 600's by now.
SkipdiverJohn
Deplorable Brexiteer
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What's so shocking about two people out of a 60 million population dying of a flu-like virus? It's a non-story.
How many people die from regular Flu every year? What about Pneumonia? Is the death rate from the Coronavirus any worse than a number of other illnesses that are commonly contracted? By the hysterical nonsense being bandied about anyone would think we were talking about an outbreak of the Bubonic Plague.
I've had a head cold, headache, and been sneezing and blowing my nose for the last two days. I usually get a similar one once or twice a year, so is hardly unexpected. Does that mean I have it? I know it's not regular Flu, because I don't feel that rough, and it hasn't been bad enough to make me go off sick at work. So, I'm guessing its some sort of virus, but it could be any number of varieties. The reality is that millions of us get some sort of illness every year and possibly several times during a year - but unless it makes us ill enough to stop us doing our day to day activities, the exact infection is never diagnosed and it doesn't appear on any government stats.
The aftermath:
The good. Illnesses such as colds, flu etc will drop in number because the message to wash your hands, don't cough and sneeze without covering your mouth and reduce touching items in public buildings will be carried on.
Plenty of good investment opportunities during the inevitable recovery.
The bad. Government will not rescind the new powers they've bestowed upon themselves leading to more restrictions, more monitoring and fewer freedoms.
The little trumped-up hitlers will not relinquish the powers that will have gone to their heads.
I'm basing this on the aftermath of the foot-and-mouth epidemic in the early part of this century. Places like canal banks which had never seen cattle were closed to the public for no benefit whatsoever to anybody. People with their buckets of disinfectant would cause traffic chaos on country roads by jumping out in front of cars in their hi-viz jackets and insist on spraying your tyres before allowing you to progress on your journey. This was up to about five months after restrictions had been lifted.
One Consultant Anaesthetist said to me last week that there was some talk of a radicalised religious nutter purposefully infecting himself and spreading the virus to as many people and in as many places as possible. He says the police had discussed that with him.
The good. Illnesses such as colds, flu etc will drop in number because the message to wash your hands, don't cough and sneeze without covering your mouth and reduce touching items in public buildings will be carried on.
Plenty of good investment opportunities during the inevitable recovery.
The bad. Government will not rescind the new powers they've bestowed upon themselves leading to more restrictions, more monitoring and fewer freedoms.
The little trumped-up hitlers will not relinquish the powers that will have gone to their heads.
I'm basing this on the aftermath of the foot-and-mouth epidemic in the early part of this century. Places like canal banks which had never seen cattle were closed to the public for no benefit whatsoever to anybody. People with their buckets of disinfectant would cause traffic chaos on country roads by jumping out in front of cars in their hi-viz jackets and insist on spraying your tyres before allowing you to progress on your journey. This was up to about five months after restrictions had been lifted.
One Consultant Anaesthetist said to me last week that there was some talk of a radicalised religious nutter purposefully infecting himself and spreading the virus to as many people and in as many places as possible. He says the police had discussed that with him.
lazybloke
Today i follow the flying spaghetti monster
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Has Ride London been cancelled yet?
kingrollo
Guru
Mate all I wrote was that a 2nd UK person had died.
I couldn't really give a shite if you have a cough.
Most of the other dieseases you mention have a vaccine.
And yes with a fatality rate of between 0.85 and 3.4 it is worse. That doesn't mean we are all going to die - but it's a lot worse than seasonal flu.
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nickyboy
Norven Mankey
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It's a difficult balance to be struck. China decided to throw the kitchen sink at it and it worked in terms of restricting the virus. The cost will be somewhere between 6-8% of GDP this year. They of course have a political system that allows very fast implementation of draconian measures. They also have, to a large extent, a population that is accepting of the primacy of the power of the State
Western countries have taken the view that they can't afford a GDP hit like this. In any case, it is highly unlikely that, for example UK, citizens would accept the sort of restrictions implemented by China's government. Could you imagine the entire Greater London being told they cannot leave the city at all and no body can come in. For what is now 6 weeks and counting?
SkipdiverJohn
Deplorable Brexiteer
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- London
I won't be losing any sleep over it if it does get binned, as the amount of disruption it causes to ordinary Londoners going about their business is a complete pain in the arse.
Hopefully Boris will have enough nous to ban public demonstrations & gatherings just in time for when those Extinction Rebellion idiots plan to create some more chaos, then they could come down on them like a ton of bricks for breaching emergency measures - like they should have done last time.
Rusty Nails
We remember
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Had to go to the chemist today to pick up a prescription for my son. I asked if they had any sanitizing gel as we don't have any at home.
The chemist told me that they are finding it difficult getting hold of any for themselves and then said that the local hospital is having problems with people stealing the sanitizer bottles that are left on desks or in the wall dispensers.
The chemist told me that they are finding it difficult getting hold of any for themselves and then said that the local hospital is having problems with people stealing the sanitizer bottles that are left on desks or in the wall dispensers.
kingrollo
Guru
Jesus u seem like a really nice bloke ! (I'd ignore the handwashing advice if I were you)
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