Coronavirus outbreak

[Joey Shabadoo]

If only Johnson could deliver his messages with this sort of clarity.......

View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1259511252629454852

That was funny for about ten seconds the first time. Two months in, it's worn very, very thin.

 

[tom73]

Day out by car look ok now too
1.8 Are day trips and holidays ok? Can people stay in second homes?
Day trips to outdoor open space, in a private vehicle, are permitted. You should practise social distancing from other people outside your household.
Leaving your home - the place you live - to stay at another home for a holiday or other purpose is not allowed. This includes visiting second homes.

 

[tom73]

Full 50 page guidance
https://assets.publishing.service.g..._HMG_C19_Recovery_FINAL_110520_v2_WEB__1_.pdf

 

[Inertia]

I'm ok with the press spotting problems, as you put it, but my point remains that yesterday was by necessity a broad sweep of the brush statement and yet the Beeb (amongst others) immediately began to criticise the lack of detail. That's either rank stupidity in my book or sensationalist journalism. Probably the latter imo.

Even the 50-pager today will be a long way away from resolving every single issue - and no doubt there will be more outcry about that. How anyone could think (not aimed at you btw) that a 50 page document can lay out an issue of this complexity in immense detail is beyond me.

There will be layers and layers of this to come - not all for direct public consumption but for employers and other official bodies etc too.

And at some point we have to be responsible for our own outcomes as well - and I'm not subscribing to the Gov avoiding blame conspiracy nonsense on social media as an aside.

I wonder if as a society we are becoming too dependant on being told exactly what to do and are becoming incapable of using common sense to fill in the blanks - notwithstanding the fact there will always be some social outliers that can't/won't. One for another thread maybe.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree, it’s been a narrative I’ve seen emerging that the press is negative. If there is a lack of detail, it’s not sensationalism to point that out. It would be weird if they didn’t.

 

[stowie]

It look's like the NHSx app wont work on Huawei needs Apple IOS 11 upwards or Android 8 upwards as a minimum and phones must have Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE). Wonder how many that rules out ?
The advice is update you software and use BLE.
Older phones can't run them and don't BLE so in other words buy a new phone.

I think around 70% of Android phones are currently running Android 8 or newer.

I used to do some (very) amateur Android app development just for some private projects. The IDE (software suite) actually told you the exact numbers but I just removed it from my PC so cannot give you the latest stats.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

View: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/technology-52619568/coronavirus-robot-dog-enforces-social-distancing-in-singapore-park


Great, can they put a taser on it?

 

[Skibird]

It look's like the NHSx app wont work on Huawei needs Apple IOS 11 upwards or Android 8 upwards as a minimum and phones must have Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE). Wonder how many that rules out ?
The advice is update you software and use BLE.
Older phones can't run them and don't BLE so in other words buy a new phone.

IF your talking about the app being trialled on the IOW, both hubby and I have Huwawei's and it works fine.

 

[tom73]

IF your talking about the app being trialled on the IOW, both hubby and I have Huwawei's and it works fine.

OK well reports are many can't get it to work

 

[stowie]

I wonder if as a society we are becoming too dependant on being told exactly what to do and are becoming incapable of using common sense to fill in the blanks - notwithstanding the fact there will always be some social outliers that can't/won't. One for another thread maybe.

I have seen the "common-sense defence" being used by Boris backers on twitter over and over again. Frankly, a policy relying on common-sense is in trouble before it starts.

Today the Metro has pictures of crowded London tubes and tailbacks on London arterial roads. It appears very much like business as usual.

I am sure people will blame the commuters. Why get on a crowded tube? Well the announcement has given many workers a hobson's choice - if their work says they are now open and expect people in their office they can either risk their health or risk their job.

The more that I think about the speech yesterday the more angry I am. Based on the first impressions of the results of this new guidance we will be very lucky to escape a second wave of infection.

 

[Rocky]

OK well reports are many can't get it to work

Geraint Lewis, of NHSx, who is in charge of the app agrees with you

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news...oes-not-work-on-huawei-and-some-older-phones/

 

[Julia9054]

Problem with "common sense" is that for many it becomes "my way of interpreting the guidance is common sense and correct and everyone else is taking the p!ss"

 

[Hugh Manatee]

Android or iOS. How do I find the version?

 

[Skibird]

OK well reports are many can't get it to work

Not sure what problem others are having but my phone is 18mths old, and after breaking his iphone, hubby is using my even older Huwawei which is about 3.5yrs old.

 

[stowie]

Geraint Lewis, of NHSx, who is in charge of the app agrees with you

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news...oes-not-work-on-huawei-and-some-older-phones/

Android 8 and above deals with things like BLE communication differently to earlier versions (actually the way an Android "service" is managed when the app isn't running changed significantly). This is not backwards compatible.

But there are ways around this. The app itself could manage the differences, or more easily the developer can host two app downloads (APKs) in the Play Store under the same app name (Play Store sorts out which version is needed depending upon the OS version).

The Apple / Google API joint development abstracts away this complexity by managing it within the tools (as far as I understand). You simply call the new API in your app and the tools manage the nuances. Really nice as Google have already written and fully tested their code so the developer doesn't have to. Plus it helps portability between the Apple and Google platforms. I think the aim is to actually include this BLE tracking in the OS (with opt-in) so that the user doesn't need to download anything at all. But this will require OS upgrades which will take much more time, especially on Android where (generally) individual handset manufacturers are responsible for porting the latest versions onto their hardware.

BLE is fairly widespread on hardware, but there will be phones that don't have it. If Huawei phones are experiencing issues then my guess is that the lower end handsets don't have BLE or they aren't ported to Android 8 or above. Huawei had problems with the latest Android releases and Trump's trade war, they actually developed their own spin on Android using their own app store. But I think this was only really meant for the Chinese market, and I am not sure of the latest with Huaweii and Android.

 

[kingrollo]

I have seen the "common-sense defence" being used by Boris backers on twitter over and over again. Frankly, a policy relying on common-sense is in trouble before it starts.

Today the Metro has pictures of crowded London tubes and tailbacks on London arterial roads. It appears very much like business as usual.

I am sure people will blame the commuters. Why get on a crowded tube? Well the announcement has given many workers a hobson's choice - if their work says they are now open and expect people in their office they can either risk their health or risk their job.

The more that I think about the speech yesterday the more angry I am. Based on the first impressions of the results of this new guidance we will be very lucky to escape a second wave of infection.

It shows the world Boris lives in "Avoid public transport" - not everyone has a choice.