Coronavirus outbreak

[stowie]

Problem with "common sense" is that for many it becomes "my way of interpreting the guidance is common sense and correct and everyone else is taking the p!ss"

Common sense is a very moveable feast. Even without people deciding to push the "common sense envelope".

 

[glasgowcyclist]

It shows the world Boris lives in "Avoid public transport" - not everyone has a choice.

Indeed. I believe in Glasgow over half of households do not have access to a car.

 

[tom73]

Many areas no longer have any public transport or very little. Much of the latter been stoped due to staff numbers.
For many even though they can now go out more still can't as no car means no day out even just the park miles away at the moment.

 

[stowie]

It shows the world Boris lives in "Avoid public transport" - not everyone has a choice.

Although he was London Mayor for two terms. I would hope he might have some grasp on the sort of numbers of people TfL deal with seeing as he headed it up.

I am more cynical on the London situation. He knows full well that even a 25% return to work would destroy any social distancing on public transport. But already Sadiq Khan is being blamed for the crowded tubes because apparently he isn't running enough trains. Even though I suspect Khan had about as much knowledge on the speech as we did, and he cannot magic up train drivers and rail capacity anyway.

 

[kingrollo]

has any research been done on a virus repellent - if hand santiser kills it, would there be scope for something like insect repellent ?

 

[vickster]

Although he was London Mayor for two terms. I would hope he might have some grasp on the sort of numbers of people TfL deal with seeing as he headed it up.

I am more cynical on the London situation. He knows full well that even a 25% return to work would destroy any social distancing on public transport. But already Sadiq Khan is being blamed for the crowded tubes because apparently he isn't running enough trains. Even though I suspect Khan had about as much knowledge on the speech as we did, and he cannot magic up train drivers and rail capacity anyway.

He did say in an interview earlier that he had spoken to Boris before the announcement

 

[tom73]

Borris is adressering MP's all he needed to do was stick to the 50 page script. Even just read it word for word if you like but no he's made it even worse.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I'm ok with the press spotting problems, as you put it, but my point remains that yesterday was by necessity a broad sweep of the brush statement and yet the Beeb (amongst others) immediately began to criticise the lack of detail. That's either rank stupidity in my book or sensationalist journalism. Probably the latter imo.

Even the 50-pager today will be a long way away from resolving every single issue - and no doubt there will be more outcry about that. How anyone could think (not aimed at you btw) that a 50 page document can lay out an issue of this complexity in immense detail is beyond me.

There will be layers and layers of this to come - not all for direct public consumption but for employers and other official bodies etc too.

And at some point we have to be responsible for our own outcomes as well - and I'm not subscribing to the Gov avoiding blame conspiracy nonsense on social media as an aside.

I wonder if as a society we are becoming too dependant on being told exactly what to do and are becoming incapable of using common sense to fill in the blanks - notwithstanding the fact there will always be some social outliers that can't/won't. One for another thread maybe.

What exactly are you criticising? It is evident that the announcement has left some questions ananswered that will need answering and it is not good enough to assume that they will be in good time. The press have a responsibility to hold the government to task and this usually means asking awkward/negative questions rather just taking everything the government say as tablets of stone.

When it comes to a point of law, that could result in fines or prosecution, then yes, we have to be told exactly what to do, or the prosecutions would be invalid.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

This will be a much needed document - good to see that many 'bodies' were involved.

Excerpted from 60 page follow up to yesterday's briefing:

COVID-19 Secure" guidelines Many measures require the development of new safety guidelines that set out how each type of physical space can be adapted to operate safely. The Government has been consulting relevant sectors, industry bodies, local authorities, trades unions, the Health and Safety Executive and Public Health England on their development and will release them this week.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

What exactly are you criticising? It is evident that the announcement has left some questions ananswered that will need answering and it is not good enough to assume that they will be in good time. The press have a responsibility to hold the government to task and this usually means asking awkward/negative questions rather just taking everything the government say as tablets of stone.

When it comes to a point of law, that could result in fines or prosecution, then yes, we have to be told exactly what to do, or the prosecutions would be invalid.

It was presented as a top level road map - which it indeed was. We were told that more would follow - it has, and there will be more.

It strikes me as obtuse to pillory BJ for not providing all the detail during a tier one presentation.

That's what I was criticising.

 

[mjr]

Being alert i've had another look at the cartoons ... oh sorry info graphics and it's all become clear.

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Step 1 Man in hardhat stands watching cyclist crash into your mate exercising sat on a bench. Being a responsible cyclist as most of us are he's got insurance.
Step 2 Children flee

No, that sign in step 2 clearly means "open to no children". Maybe they're going to be deported to keep Minister Patel happy?

 

[Rusty Nails]

has any research been done on a virus repellent - if hand santiser kills it, would there be scope for something like insect repellent ?

You could put bleach in a spray and use that on your body before going out. And swallow some just to make certain.

 

[kingrollo]

heres how it should be done Boris

https://www.gov.ie/en/news/58bc8b-t...xUZi0_CZn7xYZlHyYDUPyoiwhTPlcKuSDRscSXw5slerw

 

[mjr]

Most of what was said last night seemed pretty straight forward to me, I can't understand why some people are making it sound like it wasn't.

Maybe "most" of it was straightforward, but almost half wasn't? The COVID alert level formula is totally spherical danglies:

(from AAV on facebook)

 

[mjr]

You could put bleach in a spray and use that on your body before going out. And swallow some just to make certain.

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