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Venod

Eh up
Location
Yorkshire
Absofarkinglutely.

Before you start blaming individuals who in your own opinion are not obeying the rules have a read of this...
As this crisis deepens and the death toll mounts, a narrative is going to emerge that will be very seductive to many of us. It will all be the fault of “the people.”
The people who failed to practice social distancing. The people who hoarded. The people who didn’t listen to the government. The people who didn’t listen to the science. The people. Those selfish people. Look at them in their parks. The government will start trotting this out. Right wing media will push it hard. Police forces have already begun assigning blame to “the people”.
Many of us will feel the tug of this seductive reasoning. Our brains will be tempted to lash out at “the people.”
When we do, we must remember some things: -
The government had 3 months to prepare. This was a train coming down the tracks. At first we were told the plan was herd immunity. Then it wasn’t.
As the first few people started to die, Boris Johnson boasting of shaking the hands of hospitalised coronavirus patients. This was a week before the lockdown.
Why weren’t we in lockdown like other European countries, some asked. Trust us, they said.
Then we got the lockdown order. What did they say? The initial government advice was only “essential workers could travel to work”. A day later this was changed to “essential travel for work.” See the difference?
They told us to practice social distancing as MPs crowded around each other in the House of Commons.
They said only the old and immuno-comprised were at risk. Then healthy twenty-somethings started dying.
They said the NHS could cope, then they started building field hospitals in stadiums.
They said the NHS had the protective equipment it needed, then we logged on to social media.
They said we were in it together, then they got tested before the front-line workers.
They said there was no such thing as society and it was survival of the fittest, then said we needed to show solidarity.
They clapped when they voted against a pay-rise for NHS nurses in 2017, then they clapped for the NHS.
They spent a decade telling us cuts were needed to save the economy, then they said the only way to save the economy was to spend trillions.
They spent a decade insisting £94 was enough to live on, then admitted it wasn’t. - They got us to vote for Brexit by rubbishing “experts,” then told us to trust experts.
They told us retail workers were low skilled, then said they were key workers.
They said homelessness was sad but inevitable, then they order it ended overnight.
So yes, “the people” ended up a little farking confused. Because our so-called leaders have utterly failed to lead. They don't know what they stand for; they couldn’t believe the world could change so quickly; they resisted “alarmist” when the only proper response was to be alarmed; they had no idea how to use the power of the state, having spent a decade dismantling it; they were arrogant and complacent, wallowing in privilege.
The fundamental duty of government is to keep us safe. That’s what we pay them to do. They have failed.
As the death toll mounts, remember that our leaders are to blame, not “the people,” and we must resist the temptation to blame each other.

Author Nathan Williams
 

AuroraSaab

Veteran
Blaming the government (of whatever persuasion) for everything is no different to not blaming them for anything. We all have a level of agency in this crisis and should not shirk our personal responsibility to keep ourselves and others safe.

In due course of course there should be an inquiry into how things could have/should have been done differently, but until then we are in unprecedented times and I don't think presenting this as 'them and us' is particularly helpful.
 
I've intentionally left this thread for a few days. I'm popping back to raise a couple of points for consideration

First, UK deaths are considered to be tracking Italy. That's bad of course. But the UK lockdown has been much less severe and there are no signs of it being tightened. Tougher lockdowns have serious impacts on the economy and broader health issues, neither of which have hit countries yet. I suspect our underlying strategy (that the government would never admit) is a looser lockdown which helps us in some ways but also costs X thousands additional lives.

Second is that it's very tempting to look enviously at countries like Germany and say why couldn't we manage the pandemic as well as they have. We're a tenth or so of the way through the whole pandemic cycle. Only the first lap of a ten lap race. Only at the end will we be able to determine who got it right and who got it wrong. It's far too early to call right now
It's far to early to call - as you say we don't know the duration. But the UK handling of it to date has been poor. Questionable decisions at all stages IMO.

It was never going to be easy or painless but ignoring WHO guidance - failure to act on the Italy experience are feck ups of the highest order imo

....and I keep saying this - but the government seems to have more direction since Johnson departed the scene.
 
Calls for Hancock to resign - can't see it myself - he's not inspiring confidence true - but I think most people will see it as a tough gig .
 

RoadRider400

Some bloke that likes cycling alone
Absofarkinglutely.

Before you start blaming individuals who in your own opinion are not obeying the rules have a read of this...
As this crisis deepens and the death toll mounts, a narrative is going to emerge that will be very seductive to many of us. It will all be the fault of “the people.”
The people who failed to practice social distancing. The people who hoarded. The people who didn’t listen to the government. The people who didn’t listen to the science. The people. Those selfish people. Look at them in their parks. The government will start trotting this out. Right wing media will push it hard. Police forces have already begun assigning blame to “the people”.
Many of us will feel the tug of this seductive reasoning. Our brains will be tempted to lash out at “the people.”
When we do, we must remember some things: -
The government had 3 months to prepare. This was a train coming down the tracks. At first we were told the plan was herd immunity. Then it wasn’t.
As the first few people started to die, Boris Johnson boasting of shaking the hands of hospitalised coronavirus patients. This was a week before the lockdown.
Why weren’t we in lockdown like other European countries, some asked. Trust us, they said.
Then we got the lockdown order. What did they say? The initial government advice was only “essential workers could travel to work”. A day later this was changed to “essential travel for work.” See the difference?
They told us to practice social distancing as MPs crowded around each other in the House of Commons.
They said only the old and immuno-comprised were at risk. Then healthy twenty-somethings started dying.
They said the NHS could cope, then they started building field hospitals in stadiums.
They said the NHS had the protective equipment it needed, then we logged on to social media.
They said we were in it together, then they got tested before the front-line workers.
They said there was no such thing as society and it was survival of the fittest, then said we needed to show solidarity.
They clapped when they voted against a pay-rise for NHS nurses in 2017, then they clapped for the NHS.
They spent a decade telling us cuts were needed to save the economy, then they said the only way to save the economy was to spend trillions.
They spent a decade insisting £94 was enough to live on, then admitted it wasn’t. - They got us to vote for Brexit by rubbishing “experts,” then told us to trust experts.
They told us retail workers were low skilled, then said they were key workers.
They said homelessness was sad but inevitable, then they order it ended overnight.
So yes, “the people” ended up a little farking confused. Because our so-called leaders have utterly failed to lead. They don't know what they stand for; they couldn’t believe the world could change so quickly; they resisted “alarmist” when the only proper response was to be alarmed; they had no idea how to use the power of the state, having spent a decade dismantling it; they were arrogant and complacent, wallowing in privilege.
The fundamental duty of government is to keep us safe. That’s what we pay them to do. They have failed.
As the death toll mounts, remember that our leaders are to blame, not “the people,” and we must resist the temptation to blame each other.

Author Nathan Williams
I presume you and Nathan voted Labour last year then.
 

Ming the Merciless

There is no mercy
Location
Inside my skull
In case anyone struggles with what 2 meters means

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nickyboy

Norven Mankey
It's far to early to call - as you say we don't know the duration. But the UK handling of it to date has been poor. Questionable decisions at all stages IMO.

It was never going to be easy or painless but ignoring WHO guidance - failure to act on the Italy experience are feck ups of the highest order imo

....and I keep saying this - but the government seems to have more direction since Johnson departed the scene.
I'm not a qualified epidemiologist so I find it impossible to assess, critically, the UK government's response. All I can do is wait until all ten laps have been run and then see where we came
 

Accy cyclist

Legendary Member
I'm just reading in the lefties favourite 'rip it up for bog roll,or use it to line the budgie's cage' tabloid,that a well known 'celebrity' couple worth 335 million quid have furloughed the wife's company's 40 workers wages. But i thought 'we were all in this together'?:rolleyes:
 

screenman

Legendary Member
I'm just reading in the lefties favourite 'rip it up for bog roll,or use it to line the budgie's cage' tabloid,that a well known 'celebrity' couple worth 335 million quid have furloughed the wife's company's 40 workers wages. But i thought 'we were all in this together'?:rolleyes:

I am not understanding the problem there.
 
Couple of issues I have that I would love resolving, if a couple of friends bump into each other in the park and have a natter whilst 2m apart it would be deemed unacceptable and they could be fined, how come dozens of coppers, firemen and hospital staff can find their way to a hospital car park every Thursday night to stand around clapping and dancing and video it for TV adverts and YouTube?

Secondly I would like to know or have announced each day the actual total number of deaths registered in the UK as well as the number attributed to covid, on average 1k to 1.5k deaths were registered every day in the UK (depending on time of year) it will be telling to see if this number as increased by 900 a day, but I suspect it won't have and the truth will go against the narrative. Of course if when stats are produced the total death rate in the UK is little altered the government will claim a great success and lock down was a brilliant idea, if on the other hand the numbers are massive then it will be people not obeying lock down that are at fault.
 

roubaixtuesday

self serving virtue signaller
Secondly I would like to know or have announced each day the actual total number of deaths registered in the UK as well as the number attributed to covid, on average 1k to 1.5k deaths were registered every day in the UK (depending on time of year) it will be telling to see if this number as increased by 900 a day, but I suspect it won't have and the truth will go against the narrative

Some data to inform your conspiracy narrative. Doubtless it was massaged by lizard men or somesuch.

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Beebo

Firm and Fruity
Location
Hexleybeef
its increasingly clear that a vaccine is many months away and the antibody testing isn’t working either.
So the government are going to have to somehow let the virus work through the population in a controlled manner. We will end up with a second and third wave hitting us.
 
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