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marinyork

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So what that is saying is, cyclechaters get first dibs if theyve 'liked' enough of @Brompton Bruce posts ?

I've no idea what the criteria will be. I'm saying there's a huge difference between something that up to 25 million people are eligible for and is tried and tested and minor screw ups happen every year and something where if there is a vaccine this year it's likely to be very limited.

The criteria on age could be something like over 80s or 85s or those in care home settings. That's still big numbers. Once the metaphorical Michael Gove's daughter and all and sundry in the elite are bunged jabs and you have ICU staff, some other hospital staff, some care workers that's it, all gone. Then you've got the tsunami of other public sector workers sometimes which it's hard to quantify risk that there will be infinite demand for.

If you had an antibody test that preceded the jab, that also complicates matters and makes it a difficult decision. These are things that require a lot of thought and planning by government. I've not seen any discourse on it, but do you give the jab to men at a lower age than women as they appear for whatever reason (and endless discussion on this) to be more likely to admitted to ICU and more likely to die? How do we encourage ethnic minorities to get the jab and ensure it is fairly supplied?
 
<international flights> :

More contacts = higher transmission rate.
Less contracts = lower transmission rate.
New country, every contact is new.

Same reason for law against non essential travel here, and opprobrium against 2nd gone visits.
I think.
OK, fair enough; so a flight from Romania isn't any different to a flight between (say) Edinburgh and Stanstead.

(Just after I posted that, 2 gov/medical officials answered the issue on Any Questions! They said that scientific advice was that Social Distancing was what mattered, so incoming flights weren't inherently problematic. Also, lots of airlines are doing temperature checks pre-boarding, and many travellers voluntarily quarantine anyway.)
 

roubaixtuesday

self serving virtue signaller
<international flights> :


OK, fair enough; so a flight from Romania isn't any different to a flight between (say) Edinburgh and Stanstead.

(Just after I posted that, 2 gov/medical officials answered the issue on Any Questions! They said that scientific advice was that Social Distancing was what mattered, so incoming flights weren't inherently problematic. Also, lots of airlines are doing temperature checks pre-boarding, and many travellers voluntarily quarantine anyway.)

I think it's that currently the rate of community transmission here is so high that the small number of people flying in isn't significant.

Of course, once we have it under control, and a rigorous test and trace program in place (don't hold your breath given our response so far), and flight numbers are increasing again, then, like China now, incoming flights become much more critical.
 

Poacher

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Just seen on flightradar24, taken off from Dulles, Washington and landed at Sint Maarten, all details blocked.
i.e. no details of aircraft type, registration, owner or anything.
Ivanka on a weekend shopping jaunt?
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
Belgian rtbf news: fire in a care home, shortages for forgotten home nurses, hardware stores reopen to long queues (including interview with one woman who used the F word to describe the state of her bathroom needing repair - let's hear that on the BBC 1pm news!), uneven spread of cases, UVC decontamination of masks, Captain Tom, shutdown of Bangladesh textile industry, hopeful story from Rome, cancellation of Belgium's big agricultural shows, "One World: Together at Home" concert (which BBC1 will show only edited highlights of, almost a day late, because their 2am schedule is sooo full :cursing: ), psychological effects of lockdown, Operation #EtAprés? ("AndAfterwards?") asking what should change after lockdown
 

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marinyork

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Belgian rtbf news: fire in a care home, shortages for forgotten home nurses, hardware stores reopen to long queues (including interview with one woman who used the F word to describe the state of her bathroom needing repair - let's hear that on the BBC 1pm news!), uneven spread of cases, UVC decontamination of masks, Captain Tom, shutdown of Bangladesh textile industry, hopeful story from Rome, cancellation of Belgium's big agricultural shows, "One World: Together at Home" concert (which BBC1 will show only edited highlights of, almost a day late, because their 2am schedule is sooo full :cursing: ), psychological effects of lockdown, Operation #EtAprés? ("AndAfterwards?") asking what should change after lockdown

What's the psychological deployment/opinion in Belgium generally?
 

Low Gear Guy

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Surrey
Just seen on flightradar24, taken off from Dulles, Washington and landed at Sint Maarten, all details blocked.
i.e. no details of aircraft type, registration, owner or anything.
Ivanka on a weekend shopping jaunt?
The worldometer website* shows Sint Maarten as a hotbed of coronavirus. Shopping trips not recommended.

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus


* Table of cases, sorted by fatalities per head of population.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
What's the psychological deployment/opinion in Belgium generally?
Seems similar to here, using online video and social media to keep in touch, but the AndAfter movement was presented as part of the reaction. #QuestionNonConfinee is another hashtag to search if interested, but maybe that should be discussed on the post-coronavirus world thread?
 

nickyboy

Norven Mankey
I've intentionally left this thread for a few days. I'm popping back to raise a couple of points for consideration

First, UK deaths are considered to be tracking Italy. That's bad of course. But the UK lockdown has been much less severe and there are no signs of it being tightened. Tougher lockdowns have serious impacts on the economy and broader health issues, neither of which have hit countries yet. I suspect our underlying strategy (that the government would never admit) is a looser lockdown which helps us in some ways but also costs X thousands additional lives.

Second is that it's very tempting to look enviously at countries like Germany and say why couldn't we manage the pandemic as well as they have. We're a tenth or so of the way through the whole pandemic cycle. Only the first lap of a ten lap race. Only at the end will we be able to determine who got it right and who got it wrong. It's far too early to call right now
 

Poacher

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Just seen on flightradar24, taken off from Dulles, Washington and landed at Sint Maarten, all details blocked.
i.e. no details of aircraft type, registration, owner or anything.
Ivanka on a weekend shopping jaunt?
"Blocked" aircraft now returning from Sint Maarten, currently just Northwest of Bermuda and heading North.
Does any other flight tracker carry more details (than none) of identification?

Edit: Radarbox says LXJ596 Saint Martin to Fredericton (YFC) CL35 N596FX, whatever that means.
Perhaps we'll never know the purpose of these flights.
 
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mjr

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DaveReading

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