Coronavirus outbreak

[kingrollo]

I think this too. Herd immunity was the first plan and when that was deemed unacceptable this shower have sat on their hands and spouted flowery words and promises of jam tomorrow in order to abusive herd immunity by stealth.

The app is stealth herd immunity IMO. Just something to give people - but on the face of it it seems totally useless.

 

[kingrollo]

An article from The Times on the government's response to the Pandemic. Bearing in mind this is a normally Tory supporting newspaper, it is very critical of the Tories and Johnson's handling of the crisis.

Main points:

• Scientists and epidemiologists had warned that this was the number 1 threat to security in the UK, and it was a question of "when", not "if"
• Preparations were well funded right up until the start of the "Austerity" policy by the Tories, whereupon preparation dropped off a cliff, leaving the UK unprepared.
• The UKGov ignored warnings repeatedly and pretended to the public everything would be fine.
• The UKGov also failed to prepare after the pandemic was obviously spreading, either with measures for protecting the public or getting medical equipment.

The UKgov has managed to avoid taking responsibility for its policies for a decade now but this may be where the chickens come home to roost: they can't blame this on people chatting in the park.

Agree with everything accept the last part. The Tories won't be brought to book. Protect the NHS is a work of genuis.

 

[Andy in Germany]

Agree with everything accept the last part. The Tories won't be brought to book. Protect the NHS is a work of genuis.

That last paragraph was me trying to be optimistic: it doesn't happen often and now you've ruined it all.

 

[Salty seadog]

mm - what would be your strategy?

You first.

 

[Blue Hills]

You first.

I don't pretend to have an easy alternative.
You implied that if only the powers that be called on you or signed up to cyclechat, we'd be on top of this hell.

(am not excusing lack of kit)

 

[Salty seadog]

I don't pretend to have an easy alternative.
You implied that if only the powers that be called on you or signed up to cyclechat, we'd be on top of this hell.

(am not excusing lack of kit)

I don't think I did.

 

[kingrollo]

Couple of issues I have that I would love resolving, if a couple of friends bump into each other in the park and have a natter whilst 2m apart it would be deemed unacceptable and they could be fined, how come dozens of coppers, firemen and hospital staff can find their way to a hospital car park every Thursday night to stand around clapping and dancing and video it for TV adverts and YouTube?

Secondly I would like to know or have announced each day the actual total number of deaths registered in the UK as well as the number attributed to covid, on average 1k to 1.5k deaths were registered every day in the UK (depending on time of year) it will be telling to see if this number as increased by 900 a day, but I suspect it won't have and the truth will go against the narrative. Of course if when stats are produced the total death rate in the UK is little altered the government will claim a great success and lock down was a brilliant idea, if on the other hand the numbers are massive then it will be people not obeying lock down that are at fault.

Not sure what a total daily death rate would tell you tbh. Less people are probably dying in road accident s for example .

My only gripe is there should be a standard method of counting - we only count hospital deaths - and there were reports last week of people being refused an hospital admission - as they were probably going to die anyway - and people in ambulance s not being resussed ...

Also we aren't including care home deaths where as some European countries are.....

 

[oldfatfool]

Thanks - I wasn't really up to googling it - following the link at the bottom of the notice.

A few questions.
I wonder where their money comes from?
If they are "official" I wouldn't have thought they would be allowed to promote Boris like that?
If they aren't official, I wouldn't have thought it legal to go plastering the streets, especially in the cente of government with all those notices?
If they aren't officially sanctioned, wouldn't one be totally within one's rights to remove them as litter?

It's only illegal when it doesn't support the official narrative, hence why police, ambulance, fire service and general public can gather in a public place with no spacing to clap on a Thursday night. Everyone knows viruses take a break at 7.55pm for 15 mins, right?

 

[kingrollo]

It's only illegal when it doesn't support the official narrative, hence why police, ambulance, fire service and general public can gather in a public place with no spacing to clap on a Thursday night. Everyone knows viruses take a break at 7.55pm for 15 mins, right?

Just too many people came out to clap. It was unfortunate - but for the police to wade in and break it up would have made matters a whole lot worse in numerous ways.

 

[Andy in Germany]

One reason the UKgov only counts hospital deaths, they're trying to hide the true numbers, which may be 5 times the official figure.

As of 19.04.2020 the official UK death toll is 15464. If thee claims in the article above are correct, that would put the actual figure at over 70 000. The Italian death toll is 23227 and Spain is 20043. Germany, which does include care homes, is currently reporting 4924 deaths.

No amount of blaming people for not following the guidelines can cover this.

[Edit: Looks like my maths was wrong, not for the first time, so it's not great but not as horrendous as I thought, thanks @Rusty Nails for the correction in simple terms...]

 

[Mugshot]

I don't pretend to have an easy alternative.
You implied that if only the powers that be called on you or signed up to cyclechat, we'd be on top of this hell.

(am not excusing lack of kit)

No he didn't, not even remotely.

 

[Rezillo]

One reason the UKgov only counts hospital deaths, they're trying to hide the true numbers, which may be 5 times the official figure.

As of 19.04.2020 the official UK death toll is 15464. If thee claims in the article above are correct, that would put the actual figure at over 70 000. The Italian death toll is 23227 and Spain is 20043. Germany, which does include care homes, is currently reporting 4924 deaths.

No amount of blaming people for not following the guidelines can cover this.

That 5x figure is for death in care homes, not the hospital deaths that currently make up much of the 15464 figure.

If there was a 70,000 death toll in recent weeks, it would show up in the weekly all deaths stats. The weekly all deaths were largely following the seasonal average until week 13. Week 14 was a jump of 6,000 above the seasonal average. Some 3500 deaths of that 6000 were down to Covid-19 certificated deaths, indicating that there may welll be more Covid-19 deaths 'within' that 2500 gap, in the absence of cold weather and flu to account for it.

That's probably where the care home deaths will be for that week, albeit not all of that gap. The next set of weekly figures may be even grimmer.

 

[kingrollo]

This morning (Sunday) I did a 25 mile taking about 1hr 45 - in that time I saw 3 hearses - very grim

 

[oldfatfool]

Just too many people came out to clap. It was unfortunate - but for the police to wade in and break it up would have made matters a whole lot worse in numerous ways.

Come off it bridges in London have been lined with police cars and fire engines and the public, your not telling me they all live in the middle of a bridge or the po po just happen to have been crossing it at the time. It was an organised event by the authorities at the least. Not a case of applauding the NHS and essential workers but a case of self congratulation and being seen to be doing it, That is what grates my tits, that and BJ and his tart in their country residence, don't care if he is recouping he shouldn't have been allowed to travel let alone her, if I go into self isolation or recovery I know couldn't travel to my country residence, one rule for one...

 

[MarkF]

It's getting too much, Doctor, nurse, cleaner whatever, it's their job and like every other job, it's not sunny every day. We'll be clapping firemen for attending fires next. It took off with some army guy saying the building of a field hospital was their "Somme", it should have been called out right there and then.