Coronavirus outbreak

[SpokeyDokey]

@MarkF brings up a good point about masks many just can't cope with them.
A look of mainstream talk has been about the use of NIV which involves having a heavy duty mask strapped to your head.
They get hot and uncomfortable quickly and most can't take it for long.
So they have to come off from time to time plus they are conscious so have to eat or drink.
Anyone who has been fully trained in NIV will have had to wear one to fully understand what it really feels like.
Your mouth get's dry so often the oxygen will be passed though water.
Even well fitted mask will leak so added to the coughing is a fine moist mist.
They still need suction, they may need nebs so all adds to the mix.
NIV mostly happens outside ICU So even none ICU PPE will need changing often and none ICU staff will need full PPE.
All adding to the need for extra supply.

A few of use have talked about the need for the Army and for one's in power to admit they need help with this.
But sadly they look to be putting saving face above saving life.

Correct me if I'm wrong please; but haven't the Army been assisting with PPE distribution since the end of March?

 

[tom73]

Correct me if I'm wrong please; but haven't the Army been assisting with PPE distribution since the end of March?

With the help of is the term old Matt likes to use. That's just a token measure they need to the running the show not just a side show.
They understand all about shifting stuff fast but more importantly getting stuff to the right placers at the right time.

 

[kingrollo]

I saw the press conference yesterday. I saw Vallance talk. I'm sure the principles of who gets it are done on similar things.

A bit of this is replying to Bruce's post, but it makes me worry if someone says it'll be like a normal flu vaccine as that has all sorts of low level problems that aren't worried about on distribution and communication if replicated for covid-19 could spell disaster.

The list of people that would get a preliminary covid-19 dose needs to be absolutely watertight and communicated with clarity. Much better the communication thusfar. The normal flu vaccine is over 65s and a complicated list of conditions that has taken years to communicate and still there are problems. It needs to be communicated to many of the people on the standard flu list, that they probably wouldn't get a covid-19 vaccine straight away. Many of these people will be scared and so it needs communicating and reassuring. Similarly the 65-69 age group this needs to be communicated that there might be those substantially ahead of them in the queue - some will get really angry about this. The year of the flu where there was a 3 strain and 4 strain vaccine shows how the public can react - there were a lot of the public wanting to get the 4 strain vaccine and sod anyone else.

Probably not so relevant for the vaccine, but here and elsewhere the number of people seeking help for heart attacks and strokes has gone down by 50%. Some might be scared of someone giving them the vaccine. I don't really know the answer on that. I suspect a lot of people think they'll be 1-peak, that's my sense of talking to a lot of people. If it becomes obvious there's a second peak that'll have an effect on the sort of thing. What form of shielding/lockdown and other things are in effect will influence how people behave. For swine flu there was a 2nd peak which people forgot about. Will this be downplayed/forgotten about for covid-19 just like swine flu? Probably not, but it could change behaviours a lot.

So what that is saying is, cyclechaters get first dibs if theyve 'liked' enough of @Brompton Bruce posts ?

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

With ref to the @marinyork post above, technically I'm an asthmatic. It's on my medical records that around 2000 I was having problems but I haven't had an asthma attack since 2003. I still get a letter every year inviting me to the clinic for my flu jab because I'm "on the list" though.

I never go cos I'd feel like a fraud cheating someone out of something.

 

[kingrollo]

With ref to the @marinyork post above, technically I'm an asthmatic. It's on my medical records that around 2000 I was having problems but I haven't had an asthma attack since 2003. I still get a letter every year inviting me to the clinic for my flu jab because I'm "on the list" though.

I never go cos I'd feel like a fraud cheating someone out of something.

your call - but there is more than enough standard flu jab to go around. - You are probably actually helping people if you do take the jab.

 

[matticus]

Why do folk worry about people (apparently healthy) flying in from foreign lands? Unless they come from areas with massive infection rates, surely they are no more of a threat than your neighbour?

(I do think flights should have a good reason; the holiday flight to France last week was quite rightly sent straight home again!)


<awaits schooling ...>

 

[Julia9054]

With ref to the @marinyork post above, technically I'm an asthmatic. It's on my medical records that around 2000 I was having problems but I haven't had an asthma attack since 2003. I still get a letter every year inviting me to the clinic for my flu jab because I'm "on the list" though.

I never go cos I'd feel like a fraud cheating someone out of something.

Are there usually a shortage of flu jabs? Possibly yours sits on a shelf and then gets chucked out if you don‘t have it

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Why do folk worry about people (apparently healthy) flying in from foreign lands? Unless they come from areas with massive infection rates, surely they are no more of a threat than your neighbour?

(I do think flights should have a good reason; the holiday flight to France last week was quite rightly sent straight home again!)


<awaits schooling ...>

More contacts = higher transmission rate.
Less contracts = lower transmission rate.

New country, every contact is new.

Same reason for law against non essential travel here, and opprobrium against 2nd gone visits.

I think.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

your call - but there is more than enough standard flu jab to go around. - You are probably actually helping people if you do take the jab.

Are there usually a shortage of flu jabs? Possibly yours sits on a shelf and then gets chucked out if you don‘t have it

Maybe. It just doesn't sit well taking something that I don't need.

My point was more referring to "It needs to be communicated to many of the people on the standard flu list, that they probably wouldn't get a covid-19 vaccine straight away. Many of these people will be scared and so it needs communicating and reassuring. "

 

[kingrollo]

Maybe. It just doesn't sit well taking something that I don't need.

My point was more referring to "It needs to be communicated to many of the people on the standard flu list, that they probably wouldn't get a covid-19 vaccine straight away. Many of these people will be scared and so it needs communicating and reassuring. "

Im pretty sure that will be repeated over and over - assuming we get a vaccine that is ?

 

[marinyork]

It depends what you define as a shortage.

What the general public would define as one - yes there is usually a shortage.

If you're willing to wait for later tranches or are mobile and can travel and/or pay, then no there aren't generally shortages, although the 4-strain vaccine of yesteryear was an interesting lesson when it was first introduced with two different vaccines on offer. I'm told for this last winter lessons were learnt.

 

[GM]

My face covering protects you and yours protects me.

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[Joey Shabadoo]

Some good news about this blasted virus -

 

[Rocky]

Yeah, but you've got to have the right logo's...

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[GM]

How did you know I was a Hammers’ fan, GM?

Most well edgermercated people are!