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mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
You do no-one any favours pushing that unrealistic message. Some must go out to work, building medical kit or delivering other essentials. Others must go out because of the collapse of delivery services under the strain of increased demand. Yet more must go out for life-sustaining exercise. Implying that any of these are because they "can't be bothered" is offensive and unhelpful. Please stick to promoting the rules, not an incorrect simplified message, and concentrate your fire on those breaking the rules, like leaving isolation early, shaking hands or weekending in holiday homes - and maybe stuff done by people not in the governments too!
HMS_Dave
Grand Old Lady
I've specifically addressed the poverty issue you brought up in that very message.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
What's wrong with that? Council grass-cutters are still working here. Stuff hasn't stopped growing because of a pandemic.
glasgowcyclist
Charming but somewhat feckless
- Location
- Scotland
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
The point is not just that they are wrong, but that they are cherrypicked very small numbers.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Likewise. I think you're adding caveats that weren't there.
That of the national epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell. I've read the opposition to his opinions too, but what resonates with me is his belief that we too late and now we are just "pushing" the problem along. Either way, lessons will be have been learnt for the future.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Swiss news: mask wearing obligatory outdoors in Lombardy, discussion of whether it's pointless given lack of evidence, Swiss stock market nervous, car sales falling, summary of various international news already discussed here including Boris hospitalisation, further suspensions of sports
Not only that but when you combine exponential growth and a significant lag between a case being confirmed and its resolution, the difference in percentage between total deaths/total cases on a given day and actual mortality rate is unintuitively large.
Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
- Location
- Inside my skull
The number of cases is where it’s got serious enough to reach hospital. If you compare deaths to cases it’s 10%. The figures are saying 10% of those who are serious enough to reach hospital with Covid19 are dying.
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
Absolutely. Plus, different people mean different things by "mortality rate"
Thes a really good discussion here, doubtless more up to date data would change the numbers.
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus#what-do-we-know-about-the-risk-of-dying-from-covid-19
Overall case fatality rate estimated in the region 12-24x higher than flu
Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
- Location
- Inside my skull
Interesting those graphs don’t break them both down into the same age brackets.
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
I think that's because the source data was compiled with different age brackets
Racing roadkill
Guru
Not really. ‘The usual Symptoms’ ( high temperature, fatigue coughing) are caused mostly by the immune system response. If there isn’t much of an immune system, there will be less of ‘the usual symptoms’ and the virus will get to its favoured target ( the lungs ) relatively unabated, so “no symptoms shown, but damage to the lungs apparent” is not that surprising. It’s also pretty much par for the course, on that type of cruise ship / cruise, where there will be an unusually high concentration of people in the highest risk groups ( elderly / infirm / mixture of both ).
