Coronavirus outbreak

[PK99]

Most people unvaccinated through choice are probably way more careful around others I think. It’s the vaccinated that think they are invincible and can do what they like now not giving others space, etc.

Evidence?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Most people unvaccinated through choice are probably way more careful around others I think. It’s the vaccinated that think they are invincible and can do what they like now not giving others space, etc.

Some people perhaps, but if they, on average, were careful to the extent of making a big difference to transmission, we'd see no difference in cases and hospitalizations between vaxxed and unvaxxed.

We do see an huge difference in reality.

 

[Johnno260]

I think we are being too soft with these fools. They are contributing to the daily caseload and deaths through their inaction re vaccination.

Maybe the two tradesmen I mentioned would get their act together if they were required to be vaccinated before they could work in someone's home as they were. Either that or they can stay at home with no State financial support.

What's the solution otherwise? Something needs doing to get these morons vaccinated.

There is a knock on effect as well, many of the hospital cases could have been preventable using vaccination, so they’re taking beds and potentially stripping hospital resources, and delaying the return to normal services for other ailments, their choices are having a very real issues for other people.

 

[markemark]

There is a knock on effect as well, many of the hospital cases could have been preventable using vaccination, so they’re taking beds and potentially stripping hospital resources, and delaying the return to normal services for other ailments, their choices are having a very real issues for other people.

Not only that but hospitals are full of very sick people who are more susceptible to severe reactions to covid. Those coming in in larger numbers due to being unvaccinated are bringing in more disease to a hospital and putting other patients at risk.

 

[Johnno260]

Not only that but hospitals are full of very sick people who are more susceptible to severe reactions to covid. Those coming in in larger numbers due to being unvaccinated are bringing in more disease to a hospital and putting other patients at risk.

Yes this as well, there are so many knock on effects due to peoples poor life choices.

I don't include people who can't be vaccinated due to medical reasons in this, that's a choice that's been taken from them for reasons.

The data is plain as day on the hospital numbers, I even had a relative who gave me ONS data saying that 70% of all hospital cases are vaccinated people, they were looking at the data set totally wrong, but once someone has picked their side in the vaccination debate then everything gets thrown out the window, maths and common sense it seems.

The hardcore of people not being vaccinated are the kind of people serving the NHS papers, thinking it's real legal documentation.

 

[DaveReading]

I even had a relative who gave me ONS data saying that 70% of all hospital cases are vaccinated people, they were looking at the data set totally wrong

Fortunately that logic fail is easy to refute - ask your relative what would be the situation if (hypothetically) 100% of people had been vaccinated.

Clearly, a small proportion would still go on to become infected, and some of those would end up in hospital.

But of course that would mean that 100% of hospital cases are then vaccinated people - would that prove, according to your relative's logic, that the vaccine is 0% effective ?

 

[Rusty Nails]

Most people unvaccinated through choice are probably way more careful around others I think. It’s the vaccinated that think they are invincible and can do what they like now not giving others space, etc.

That's a broad assumption, unless you are aware of anything to confirm it.

There has not been much social distancing, or mask-wearing, in the anti-vac demonstrations I have seen on TV news or the press. And non-vaccinated form a much higher ratio of cases in hospital.

The jury is still out.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Just to throw something else in here regarding vaccines . I posted further back in thread i think but my MIL was part of study group checking for antibodies for covid. Nothing showed up until she received her vaccines earlier this year. Fast forward to Aug and the blood tests started coming back with no antibodies. Same in September, then this month boom, blood tests showed antibodies again. Only had her booster yesterday so nill effect from that !

We wondered if she had been exposed to covid and knew nothing of it or something else..............

 

[dodgy]

Just to throw something else in here regarding vaccines . I posted further back in thread i think but my MIL was part of study group checking for antibodies for covid. Nothing showed up until she received her vaccines earlier this year. Fast forward to Aug and the blood tests started coming back with no antibodies. Same in September, then this month boom, blood tests showed antibodies again. Only had her booster yesterday so nill effect from that !

We wondered if she had been exposed to covid and knew nothing of it or something else..............

One for the doctors to figure out.

 

[mjr]

Some restrictions being reintroduced in Belgium including masks mandatory in some settings, but the PM says 85% vaccination has avoided another lockdown. "Vaccibuses" are touring secondary schools, where masks will be compulsory after halfterm in at least two regions. https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/COVID-19-cases-spike-in-Belgium-govt-poised-for-16564126.php

The Netherlands is reportedly considering what to do with cases rising sharply. 60% of residents expect restrictions. https://www.curacaochronicle.com/po...ent-considering-new-coronavirus-restrictions/

 

[mjr]

Merck has requested EMA review of its Emory-developed covid-antiviral tablet, molnupiravir, which seems from trials to halve risks of hospitalisation and death in high-risk patients from delta, gamma and mu variants.

Merck are licensing molnupiravir to other makers. https://apnews.com/article/coronavi...ealth-health-ddde9854faee530d6c4bc435f3e6da74

 

[Ajax Bay]

AY.4.2 got its VUI badge
SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation
Information on the new Variant Under Investigation VUI-21OCT-01.
[ high level of uncertainty ]
Precis: Accounts for a slowly increasing proportion of cases in UK and also present in multiple other countries. Has the mutations of Delta with extras. Appears to have a modestly increased growth rate compared to Delta: for household contacts of cases with VUI-21OCT-01 was 12.4% cf other Delta cases where it was 11.1% whereas in non-household settings the secondary attack rate was higher but not significant.
"As of 21 October 2021, there are 22,017 VOC-21OCT-01 genomes in the UK dataset, linked to 15,120 cases in England. VUI-21OCT-01 accounts for 3.8%, 5.2%, and 5.9% of Delta cases in England in the weeks beginning 19 September, 26 September, and 3 October 2021 respectively."
"Crude analyses do not show strong evidence of a difference in risk of hospitalisation or death between VUI-21OCT-01 and Delta" [but it seems it might be a bit higher].

 

[classic33]

For me, there was one person who'd only be seen twice, since their first diagnosis of possible epilepsy, who had been given the worst case possible, on their second visit to the hospital, SUDEP. They'd only just moved, had to surrender their driving licence. Driving being a large part of their job beforehand. How have they been since all this started? I'd love to know, but it'll be a while before I find out.

Found out this week that they never made the end of last year.
Whether it was the epilepsy directly, or an indirect complication* I didn't feel I had the right to ask.

*Routine treatments/visits were stopped for them.

 

[mjr]

Government campaign to urge people to open windows for 10 minutes every hour while you have guests at home. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/05/ventilate-home-stop-covid-spread-government-uk

Do you think that's likely?

 

[KnittyNorah]

Government campaign to urge people to open windows for 10 minutes every hour while you have guests at home. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/05/ventilate-home-stop-covid-spread-government-uk

Do you think that's likely?

It's about as likely as people still wearing masks in enclosed crowded spaces .... GRRRRRRR!
I'm a bit of a fresh-air fiend anyway.