matticus
Guru
Do you mean as fuel? I haven't heard of any fuel shortage, perhaps I'm not paying attention ...
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Think To a certain degree us north of the border are still wearing masks at work and inside settings. The Führer got that right
or did it matter ? Has to made a difference? I’m not so sure but my wife Who is far more qualified than me thinks it was the best idea !
- Location
- Essex
Tim Spector blames the government for not informing the public about these new symptoms, which has triggered the high number of infections the UK is still experiencing.
This week, he said: “The UK still has more cases than most of Europe and I believe this is for two main reasons; the first is a lack of masks and social distancing and the second is because we’re ignorant of the symptoms.
“We should be looking out for things like sore throat, running nose and sneezing.
“The classic three – cough, fever and anosmia [loss of taste or smell] are rarer these days, yet the government has done nothing.
“By not updating advice, we’re letting people into care homes, schools, workplaces and large gatherings displaying known signs of Covid.
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When i read this i thought to myself this is so bang on.
I thought i had a cold but when i done a lateral flow test at home it came back positive.I then went and had a PCR test the same day and today it came back also positive.
If you go on the government website to book a test it is still asking you about the old original symptoms so how many people are walking about thinking they are just under the weather or have colds when in fact they have got covid?
I am double jabbed and always wear a mask on public transport but it seems now i am in the minority.
I have the feeling i could have caught this on a train going to london which was crowded and hardly anyone wearing masks.
This week, he said: “The UK still has more cases than most of Europe and I believe this is for two main reasons; the first is a lack of masks and social distancing and the second is because we’re ignorant of the symptoms.
“We should be looking out for things like sore throat, running nose and sneezing.
“The classic three – cough, fever and anosmia [loss of taste or smell] are rarer these days, yet the government has done nothing.
“By not updating advice, we’re letting people into care homes, schools, workplaces and large gatherings displaying known signs of Covid.
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When i read this i thought to myself this is so bang on.
I thought i had a cold but when i done a lateral flow test at home it came back positive.I then went and had a PCR test the same day and today it came back also positive.
If you go on the government website to book a test it is still asking you about the old original symptoms so how many people are walking about thinking they are just under the weather or have colds when in fact they have got covid?
I am double jabbed and always wear a mask on public transport but it seems now i am in the minority.
I have the feeling i could have caught this on a train going to london which was crowded and hardly anyone wearing masks.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
And you're blaming the government for not publicising the current symptoms? I'd blame them for not requiring masks and effective ventilation on crowded trains...
Alex321
Guru
- Location
- South Wales
Whereas here in England we just have false platitudes.
Our local Sainsbury has big signs:
Fair enough, you might think. Then you walk in and see 90% of the Sainsbury staff - the people being exposed to hundreds of different people every day and staying in the store *all* day, not wearing masks. I don't know if they are just uneducated in how masks work, or overconfident in their own immune systems - or just selfish.
I did complain to Sainsbury, but again - you just get a nice e-mail saying they are asking staff to wear masks.
The simple solution is this. No mask, no job. People working in the bakery or on the meat counter have to wear appropriate clothing, hair nets etc. There seems to be this cowardice about requiring people to adhere to a company policy. I try to avoid Sainsbury and Tesco as much as possible. Marks and Spencer were much better but now seem to have dropped mask wearing - but to be fair they don't have any signs up asking customers to wear masks.
All they need to understand is this:
Ajax Bay
Guru
- Location
- East Devon
Higher than average weekly deaths (2015-2019 ave) NOT from COVID-19 (from ONS stats): these normally run at <10,000 deaths a week in the UK 'summer' (May to autumn solstice). Knock on effect of diversion of health care resources to treating pandemic, and reluctance of people to get ailments checked out until they have progressed to a dangerous extent. Maybe some other lock-down related effects in there as well? Anyone link to an analysis of the reasons? No doubt government decisions (and indecisions) could (and will) be blamed, but not sure which ones.
lazybloke
Today i follow the flying spaghetti monster
- Location
- Leafy Surrey
My take away from that is that deaths have been steadily increasing since July. I don't see how with so many vaccinated this could jump massively. In other news, the infection rates in English secondary schools are alarming this week.
Julia9054
Guru
- Location
- Knaresborough
We are back to face masks in both corridors and classrooms from Monday having reached the public health defined threshold in all year groups.
Annoyingly for me as a science teacher, this also means no practical work
Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
- Location
- Inside my skull
I have sore throat, runny nose, earlier had cough and sneeze. Symptoms appeared 5 days after I’d been travelling long distance on trains. No other contact after that. My resting HR trend shows it building after I’d been travelling. Now 10-14 bpm over its typical first thing in morning resting value.
Lateral flow tests negative but now ordered PCR kit. Ordered PCR on basis on more than 3 coughing episodes in 24 hours yesterday. Not clear what they mean by episode. But certainly the coughing triggered more than 3 separate occasions.
Feels like typical cold but can’t be sure.
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Johnno260
Guru
- Location
- East Sussex
I see this a lot “no one dies of Covid” you die of organ failure or asphyxiation as your lungs fill with fluid, it’s also a way death certificates are written the primary cause will be what killed the person, the pathogen is further down no one dies of the pathogen.
My uncle uses this a lot, it’s word play knowing how to manipulate how death certificates are written but the pathogen causes the catastrophic events that lead to the persons death.
Also anyone claiming the virus is used in some kind of agenda, with causing fear then it’s failed miserably, just look at all the London protests, if there was some uncaring evil cabal who wanted you vaccinated for nefarious reasons they would use a genetically altered ebola strain, people would be rioting to be vaccinated after a few deaths.
The only agenda is in paranoid peoples minds.
Milzy
Guru
They are saying the Marburg virus is coming to make a scenario like that happen. It’s scary that they walk among us. A guy from school who was always a fairly intelligent guy is now making it his life’s work to fight against child vaccines. *face palm *
Ajax Bay
Guru
- Location
- East Devon
Well looking at the graph I shared and taking a 15 day moving average, deaths per day (all cause) have been rising since late April - not sure what you mean by steady: is that a log plot? From early Jul @ 22 to a peak on 6 Sep of 146, the death from COVID-19 rate has mercifully dropped >25%.
"I don't see how with so many vaccinated this could jump massively." Nor do I: because it didn't "jump massively". It gradually increased (doubling time of (average) 20 days, like a low, slow swell, which looks to half in 50 days (last 25 days' data). I expect a seasonality effect (less ventilation indoors) to slow the trailing slope of this wave through autumn.
If by age or morbidities an individual has a higher CFR, then a 90% protection of a double jab reduces that chance by an order of magnitude, but the chance is still way higher than an unvaccinated x year old (x<50). [This observation designed to address your "so many vaccinated" caveat.]
The "alarming rates in secondary schools" news is 'old news': that 15-19 cohort rate is falling off. But it did result (correlation) in an increase fifteen days (5 to catch it, 10 to pass it on within household) after term start in the parent age cohort (35-50s) and a slight one a week ago in the grandparent cohort (unvaccinated multi-generational households perhaps).
Ajax Bay
Guru
- Location
- East Devon
To help illustrate my last point on generations post return to school.
[Orange shows rates increasing; blue shows rates decreasing.]
[Orange shows rates increasing; blue shows rates decreasing.]
Johnno260
Guru
- Location
- East Sussex
Much of what they say it’s a manipulation of something, anti’s have been doing this with death certificates since early on.
The paranoia these people live with is astounding.
All I can say is they’re totally anti science as the efforts done to produce a vaccine in this timeframe that’s measurably safer than other vaccines introduced since 2011 should be something that’s celebrated.
