Coronavirus outbreak

[Buck]

You may be correct and someone on a ride yesterday told me the same. She was wearing a mask. It is quite confusing and I haven't seen the communications she received - one via the app and one by email.

Unfortunately me telling Mrs Lane that I have received advice from a mate on a ride and someone on a cycling forum hasn't cut much ice😄

She seems determined to do the right thing - even if it's the wrong thing. As a result I had to cancel the dentist - which to be honest wasnt much of a disappointment.

Definitely better to be safe.
If she was working at the time of the association with the infected person that that can be ignored as she should turn off the app when in work/volunteering.
https://faq.covid19.nhs.uk/article/KA-01100/en-us

i appreciate it’s easy for me to say but we ask all our teams to turn off/pause the app in work and if they get pinged they can legitimately discount it but if it is pinged when out of work that is different and must isolate/follow the guidance.

hopefully she will stay symptom free and the 10 days will soon be up.

 

[midlife]

I was under the impression that the first dose gave quite good protection?

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...high-levels-of-protection-from-the-first-dose

 

[lane]

I was under the impression that the first dose gave quite good protection?

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...high-levels-of-protection-from-the-first-dose

I thought it was less now with the Delta variant.

 

[midlife]

It is but not sure it's down to 32%?

 

[Unkraut]

Dozens of Tory MPs defying speaker and refusing to use a mask

So depressing to see the Conservative party dragging us down to Trump levels.

On a rare foray into the Mail, I noticed Hitchens still using the Danish study to justify not wearing face nappies masks. I thought this was from well over a year ago, and since then various studies have shown the efficacy of masks without making the claim they protect you absolutely, and making the point you have to wear them properly and not fiddle with them.

I've certainly heard 'experts' here talk about masks, and it is inconceivable to me that in the UK no-one has sensibly spelt out the benefits of using them in appropriate locations to dampen down the spread, neither exaggerating nor denying them.

What are these Tory MP's on to set such a bad example, seeing as they are in a relatively confined space in the Commons?

 

[steve292]

We've had a lovely day Jim, we're going to take the money

*Sad bull noise, theme tune goes to minor key*

Wrong show. Bullseye was " Have a look at what you could have won"
Catchphrase was " say what you see"

 

[Flick of the Elbow]

@Andy in Germany shared this on the pingdemic thread which merits sharing on here:
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Sturgeon’s deputy FM shared the same graphic on Monday, has now accepted that it is discredited and has had to apologise and delete it.

 

[mjr]

Sturgeon’s deputy FM shared the same graphic on Monday, has now accepted that it is discredited and has had to apologise and delete it.
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It says unverified not discredited. Would you apologise and delete your unverified message?

 

[mjr]

This article suggests some governments held back on full info because of misconceptions about the public reacting to crises by panicking https://palladiummag.com/2021/07/15/the-myth-of-panic/

I think that is trying to justify the ostrich approach of Trump and friends, and it does not excuse the UK which is given as an example of a disproof 80 years ago... but it is a theory.

 

[kingrollo]

Pre covid I used to go to a fair whack of northern soul dances.

One was scheduled for this Saturday. But the local council has cancelled it due to "rising covid levels" - no to fussed tbh - but I am intrigued that the local council has such powers when the govt has said such events can go ahead ?

 

[mjr]

But the local council has cancelled it due to "rising covid levels" - no to fussed tbh - but I am intrigued that the local council has such powers when the govt has said such events can go ahead ?

I suspect they are using existing powers over events under the Licensing Acts, which usually includes some local public health consideration as well as fire and police views. It may mean that the event's submitted plans weren't thought sufficient to avoid an outbreak when the population covid level is what it is, or it may be a general decision based on event size or type or whatever. It may have gone through a licensing panel or committee, either specifically or by them setting policy for officers to implement. Look for their agendas and minutes on your district council website if you want to check.

 

[Johnno260]

On a rare foray into the Mail, I noticed Hitchens still using the Danish study to justify not wearing face nappies masks. I thought this was from well over a year ago, and since then various studies have shown the efficacy of masks without making the claim they protect you absolutely, and making the point you have to wear them properly and not fiddle with them.

I've certainly heard 'experts' here talk about masks, and it is inconceivable to me that in the UK no-one has sensibly spelt out the benefits of using them in appropriate locations to dampen down the spread, neither exaggerating nor denying them.

What are these Tory MP's on to set such a bad example, seeing as they are in a relatively confined space in the Commons?

To many entitled idiots in the UK is why, I have been challenged in a store for wearing a "slave muzzle" when the guy said he would take it off my face for me, I kindly advised him what would happen to his arm if he tried that.

 

[PaulB]

I'm in both camps about mask wearing. A bit like cycling helmets really.

Part of my job is to wear a surgical mask so I'm not unused to wearing them at all and I always do while in any enclosed public space but since Monday, I've noted more and more people without the masks and a lot are looking at mask-wearers challengingly.

To wear a mask for long periods (or the same mask previously worn on the same day, maybe several times per day) has the obvious negative of you forming a bacteria trap right in front of your breathing-in organs. The moisture from your expelled breath will be absorbed by the fabric or the filling of the mask and this now being moist, will act as a trap for someone else's expelled bacteria, particularly from those going bare-faced.

It's obvious that there are those who agree wholeheartedly with wearing and those equally adamant they shouldn't wear. It's foolish of those in authority to say 'you don't have to wear masks, but it's better if you do' because that won't be listened to by the anti-maskers. So the only way it will work is if it becomes mandatory and punishable by fines for those who refuse.

 

[matticus]

It's foolish of those in authority to say 'you don't have to wear masks, but it's better if you do' because that won't be listened to by the anti-maskers. So the only way it will work is if it becomes mandatory and punishable by fines for those who refuse.

Tomorrow will be my first train ride in the "post Freedom Day era". This is all now sinking in. A lot of people think masks are still mandantory on UK trains, but no, although the railways strongly encourage it, if you read their literature closely enough, there is no enforcement. A ridiculous situation; even though I'm on the fence about how fast we should relax control measures, this seems a bloody daft way of doing it.

Hey ho ...

 

[lane]

In a small shop yesterday all wearing masks including the two young workers. Petrol station said masks compulsory.

Not been challenged for wearing one which is probably just as well.