Coronavirus outbreak

[Deleted User]

That is another post where "seems" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. I humbly suggest that your views are colouring your perception of other posters. I was on tour for most of the last two weeks, which I suspect is more "out and about" than you or the previous poster who seem to see the same group of surrender supporters every week.


Who here is arguing for extending restrictions? I'm arguing for keeping some of them, such as covering faces in enclosed spaces, while relaxing others, as the data suggests.

They're being extended past the 19th then?

On tour where, you in the Army?

I'm a rigger and work all over the Country thanks.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

What have you seen recently?

Nowt, just what I recall through the pandemic.

 

[mjr]

It usually goes "Thank god this mask wearing bo**?x will be over on the 19th "

"Too right "

Then talk about something important.

So don't you think 130-150 thousand deaths and millions long-term ill is important?

Do you actually discuss it in real life with people face to face then like you do on here, I would be very surprised unless you are all in agreement and can therefore analyse the next strategy and process for a safe return to normality.

Yes, I discuss it in real life with people face to face, in the open air, often on bike rides or over drinks. We're not all in agreement, of course, but I think most would agree that there will be no "return" to the previous normality any time soon and that attempting to do so will kill loads more people unnecessarily.

When engaged in a "fight where we can be in no doubt that each and every one of us is directly enlisted" there is only one way where we get to choose a date and say that's when the fight ends: surrender. I don't want to surrender to covid. Do you?

And anyway, isn't it government policy to "build back better" instead of trying to return to the same normal shoot?

 

[mjr]

They're being extended past the 19th then?

Are they? Any link to a news report on that?

On tour where, you in the Army?

On a cycling tour (part of the time... otherwise by other land transport). Maybe it's escaped your notice, but this is a cycling forum.

 

[Deleted User]

Are they? Any link to a news report on that?

Who here is arguing for extending restrictions? I'm arguing for keeping some of them, such as covering faces in enclosed spaces, while relaxing others, as the data suggests.

This means extending the date those restrictions will be lifted currently.

Is this what you said or not?

 

[mjr]

Does anyone know more about this bit of Boris's statement on Monday: "There will be no Covid certificate required as a condition of entry to any venue or event, although businesses and events can certainly make use of certification"

If it cannot be a condition of entry, how are businesses and events expected to use it? Is Boris expecting pubs to have covid rooms like the old smoker rooms, maybe now with staff passing stuff ordered on an app or screen through an airlock so the staff are still safe at work?

 

[mjr]

This means extending the date those restrictions will be lifted currently.

Is this what you said or not?

I don't understand what that means, so it's probably not what I said, but I cannot be absolutely certain!

It seems deeply confused. For example, there is no date for those restrictions to be lifted currently. A decision will be taken next Monday whether to set 19th July as the date to lift all restrictions, if we are to believe the government. That's what I call surrendering to covid.

Let me try again: I believe that some restrictions should be maintained while some are lifted. I don't argue for extending any. I would even relax some old (pre-covid) restrictions on things like outdoor events that government doesn't seem to be contemplating, so the likes of gig venues and nightclubs don't have to choose between bankruptcy and encouraging cautious people in some localities into enclosed spaces.

 

[Bazzer]

Does anyone know more about this bit of Boris's statement on Monday: "There will be no Covid certificate required as a condition of entry to any venue or event, although businesses and events can certainly make use of certification"

If it cannot be a condition of entry, how are businesses and events expected to use it? Is Boris expecting pubs to have covid rooms like the old smoker rooms, maybe now with staff passing stuff ordered on an app or screen through an airlock so the staff are still safe at work?

I would be surprised if any venue or event businesses will use it. Staff safety at work, pah!

 

[Deleted User]

I don't understand what that means, so it's probably not what I said, but I cannot be absolutely certain!

It seems deeply confused. For example, there is no date for those restrictions to be lifted currently. A decision will be taken next Monday whether to set 19th July as the date to lift all restrictions, if we are to believe the government. That's what I call surrendering to covid.

Let me try again: I believe that some restrictions should be maintained while some are lifted. I don't argue for extending any. I would even relax some old (pre-covid) restrictions on things like outdoor events that government doesn't seem to be contemplating, so the likes of gig venues and nightclubs don't have to choose between bankruptcy and encouraging cautious people in some localities into enclosed spaces.

One last attempt,

On the 19th all restrictions are to be lifted.

You don't think they ALL should be and SOME should be kept in place?

The ones that you think should remain in place after the 19th would have been EXTENDED past that date.

Is this what you are saying?

If by using the phrase MAINTAINING rather than EXTENDING then say that in the first.

 

[Rocky]

One last attempt,

On the 19th all restrictions are to be lifted.

You don't think they ALL should be and SOME should be kept in place?

The ones that you think should remain in place after the 19th would have been EXTENDED past that date.

Is this what you are saying?

If by using the phrase MAINTAINING rather than EXTENDING then say that in the first.

I'm not sure you are correct about 19th [July]. People with close contact (to a Covid case) will still have to self-isolate (this will change on 16 August). Then double jabbers will not have to do this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57751033

 

[mjr]

One last attempt,

On the 19th all restrictions are to be lifted.

One last attempt: the 19th has not been decided yet, and not lifting them would be maintaining not extending. Extending restrictions would be things like requiring face coverings in town centre streets, which I do not favour.

 

[PK99]

Does anyone know more about this bit of Boris's statement on Monday: "There will be no Covid certificate required as a condition of entry to any venue or event, although businesses and events can certainly make use of certification"

If it cannot be a condition of entry, how are businesses and events expected to use it? Is Boris expecting pubs to have covid rooms like the old smoker rooms, maybe now with staff passing stuff ordered on an app or screen through an airlock so the staff are still safe at work?

Surely it means that there will be no mandated requirement for venues to have such an arrangement, but venues are free to have one if they wish and only offer entry and service to certificated individuals.

Much like over 21 only rule some places have.

 

[johnblack]

1. That is not the same as saying that they think all restrictions should end now or on the 19th. I want them to end too, but when it is reasonably safe.

2. That must have made conversations very dull

Yeah they would rather they were gone already.

Dull but over and done with in a few seconds and on to the important stuff like Brexit.

 

[kingrollo]

They're being extended past the 19th then?

On tour where, you in the Army?

I'm a rigger and work all over the Country thanks.

Covid can cause brain fog as well..............

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[Johnno260]

What I don’t like is dimwits like this filtering ONS data and earning money off the ad revenue click bait.

And his followers falling for it.


View: https://twitter.com/dickdelingpole/status/1412313113135812608?s=21

It makes it look as if 2020 death rates were low, but it doesn’t take into account we were in national lockdown etc yet it gets liked and shared.

His brother is some climate change denial nut.