Coronavirus outbreak

[icowden]

You could always wear a proper mask - I mean, the ones in hospitals which are 100% effective v Covid. Then it doesn't matter if others are not.

No mask is 100% effective against Covid. Hospitals use N95 respirator masks which are 95% effective (as the name suggests). To get close to 100% you would need something like a hazmat suit and your own air supply.

The principle of mask wearing is to protect *other people* rather than protecting yourself. A simple analogy is this:-

Imagine you are naked. You meet another man who is naked. You are standing less than 2m apart. He is weeing at high pressure. You are getting covered in his wee. Yuck.

Now repeat the scenario, but you are wearing trousers. Your legs are no longer getting covered by wee as much, but your trousers are getting wet and some of it is soaking through to your legs. Still yuck.

Now repeat the scenario, but the other guy is wearing trousers. He's just a guy with wet trousers and you don't care because your trousers and legs are no longer affected by his incontinence. It's more important that he wears trousers than you. Unless you are also weeing.

Same applies to masks.

CNN understand where Boris is at:


View: https://twitter.com/ThatTimWalker/status/1412317095719837698?s=20

 

[Deleted User]

Good analogy, presuming everyone walking around Sainsburys is pi****g everywhere!

 

[Deleted User]

I'd to nominate a chemists a few years ago, for the prescriptions to be sent to. My nominated chemist just happens to be Lloyd's, in Sainsbury's. Ideal chance to combine two needs into one trip.

I'm not able to give a figure for the chance of picking something up from someone not wearing a mask. Especially as I use a full face, closed system mask.

Maybe time to change to quieter chemist then?

What would happen if you were somehow housebound for a while who would get your drugs?

 

[Deleted User]

My son's GF is 22 - her sense of smell hasnt returned in 10 months - she is physically sick at the smell of chicken.

????

 

[winjim]

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People boring on about how Covid doesn't affect young people. It does.

 

[Deleted User]

People boring on about how Covid doesn't affect young people. It does.

You really do read things completely differently to me, the fella states someone has no sense of smell but in the same sentence says the smell of Chicken makes her sick?

 

[winjim]

You really do read things completely differently to me, the fella states someone has no sense of smell but in the same sentence says the smell of Chicken makes her sick?

Fair enough, I guess her sense of smell and reaction to it is altered rather than absent then.

Anyway, the point stands, young people are affected by Covid.

 

[PK99]

So basically the answer is to stay in lockdown till.... 2024?

Regardless of that, many people I know ignored lockdown rules towards the end... people have just had enough. Even Whitty has mentioned lockdown fatigue before.

Lockdown fatigue is an interesting one.

According to reports, Sage advice way back was to not lock down early as psychologists advice was that in UK people would not tolerate lockdown for long.

Some press reports have claimed that subsequent adherence to Lockdown showed that this advice had been wrong.

I would posit a different analysis.

UK folks obeyed the rules because the effects of the pandemic were palpably real. People were dying and early doors the age and health profiles of the most susceptible were not clear. People were scared and obeyed the rules.

Far East societies were more compliant - for two broad reasons, societal structures plus, more importantly, they had direct personal experience is SARS. People were scared and obeyed the rules.

Roll on to now.

It is less a case of lockdown fatigue than it is that many are making a rational decision that they are not in the age/health profiles at risk and/or are vaccinated. Many are no longer scared and are less inclined to follow the rules of lockdown.

 

[winjim]

Lockdown fatigue is an interesting one.

According to reports, Sage advice way back was to not lock down early as psychologists advice was that in UK people would not tolerate lockdown for long.

Some press reports have claimed that subsequent adherence to Lockdown showed that this advice had been wrong.

I would posit a different analysis.

UK folks obeyed the rules because the effects of the pandemic were palpably real. People were dying and early doors the age and health profiles of the most susceptible were not clear. People were scared and obeyed the rules.

Far East societies were more compliant - for two broad reasons, societal structures plus, more importantly, they had direct personal experience is SARS. People were scared and obeyed the rules.

Roll on to now.

It is less a case of lockdown fatigue than it is that many are making a rational decision that they are not in the age/health profiles at risk and/or are vaccinated. Many are no longer scared and are less inclined to follow the rules of lockdown.

Even if true, it's an argument for locking down sooner, and harder. Instead we've had these protracted wishy-washy sort of not lockdowns with huge amounts of mixed messaging so it's no wonder people are getting fatigued.

 

[Deleted User]

Fair enough, I guess her sense of smell and reaction to it is altered rather than absent then.

Anyway, the point stands, young people are affected by Covid.

Have you no humour in you or just deadly serious 100% of the time?

Yes, young people are affected.

 

[Deleted User]

Even if true, it's an argument for locking down sooner, and harder. Instead we've had these protracted wishy-washy sort of not lockdowns with huge amounts of mixed messaging so it's no wonder people are getting fatigued.

That ship has sailed long ago so pointless even mentioning it, most people I know go about daily life as if there's no Virus at all.

Work, Pubs, visiting people, the lot.

 

[winjim]

Have you no humour in you or just deadly serious 100% of the time?

Yes, young people are affected.

I apologise for not being able to properly interpret your string of question marks.

 

[Deleted User]

I apologise for not being able to properly interpret your string of question marks.

No worries, it just made me smile that's all and didn't make sense.

People read things differently obviously. 👍

 

[Johnno260]

Going forward it will be about managing risk, to me that is.

We shall continue to get home delivery for food, etc but I have found that on the occasion I need to go to the supermarket early is best.

Masks aren’t mandatory but if you feel the need to wear one then do, it’s a free country so don’t allow anyone to sway your choice.

Also if you have access to one, and want to use an N95.

Personally I won’t be going to a stadium or packed indoor event for a while I think it’s pointless and a needless risk, we support local businesses as much as possible and use small bakeries and uses pubs and restaurants with a takeaway service, we had a really nice takeaway roast the other week delivered by a local pub.

We all view risk differently having a degree of tolerance will be needed, but be prepared for the occasional douche bag.

 

[mjr]

Even if true, it's an argument for locking down sooner, and harder. Instead we've had these protracted wishy-washy sort of not lockdowns with huge amounts of mixed messaging so it's no wonder people are getting fatigued.

And locking down sooner and harder would mean fewer deaths and less time in lockdown. It is criminal the gov ignored clear advice from WHO on this, especially for lockdowns 2 and 3.