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classic33

Leg End Member
The mask thing is a mistake, although they should be mandatory with no exceptions as too many 'cant' wear a mask. So in that respect its pretty much optional already!
There's more "can't wear a mask" this year, than this time last year. Does little to slow their gaping or smoking though. And a load seem to be either headed to or coming from a pub. I've seen some who had no such trouble whilst the pubs were shut. But a card on a sunflower lanyard gets you out of wearing one.
I wouldn't say "no exceptions" but I would be in favour of proof to be carried and shown to public health officers on request.
A few issues,
What sort of evidence.
I've been asked for written proof, doctors letter, my blue badge. I don't drive so no blue badge. Doctors letter would cost £17.50 minimum, who pays?
I think a swollen mouth, with added blood, and "raspy breathing" should be proof enough.

Public Health Officer
Should they be allowed to ask if they themselves don't abide by the rules. We'd "jumped up" "Ambassadors", who the year before were there to help people within the town centre, suddenly given the power to ask people to comply with the regulations. They didn't have to as they "talking to people", handing out QR code sheets and signage to shops that were open along with checking that they were sticking to the rules.

It's safe to say that I had my fill of council badge waving last. Waving to show that they were council employee's and didn't have to do what everyone else did.

Something you can both try, paper mask.
Open your mouth and draw as much air in as possible, as quick as possible. Where does the mask end up?

Bike pump, rapidly pump up an innertube. What does the pump feel like when you're done. Now imagine six litres in the time it took you to do the first two strokes of the pump, and the effect of that on the throat.

I'm aware that I've said I use a full face mask, but there's times when that hasn't been possible. I'll comply as best I can, but I know that there'll be times that's not possible, nor practical.

Come back when you can give a workaround the above.
 

Joey Shabadoo

My pronouns are "He", "Him" and "buggerlugs"
Two observations from today -

1) I was turned away from 4 sites around Inverness this morning. No visitors due to Covid outbreaks amongst staff - 2 of them had 50% or more isolating. 3 of them linked it with staff going to football related crowd events.

2) Our Tesco shopping delivery had a lot of shortages tonight, including water rather surprisingly. The delivery guy explained there was an outbreak at the "picking centre" (distribution hub?) which meant the supermarket had lots of empty shelves including - no water!

Is this why the Govt want to change the isolation rules for the vaccinated?
 

Bromptonaut

Rohan Man
Location
Bugbrooke UK
The mask thing is a mistake, although they should be mandatory with no exceptions as too many 'cant' wear a mask. So in that respect its pretty much optional already!

Explain no exceptions to my partner who cannot breathe through one if exerting herself - eg using stairs over several storeys where there's no lift.

Or someone for whom something held over their nose/mouth recalls a traumatic incident in their lives.
 

FishFright

More wheels than sense
A couple of pages back people were discussing changes to / loss of sense of smell. I believe this is related to certain covid proteins crossing the blood brain barrier which sounds a lot scarier .

Use Google scholar if you'd like to get more worried.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
A few issues,
What sort of evidence.
I've been asked for written proof, doctors letter, my blue badge. I don't drive so no blue badge. Doctors letter would cost £17.50 minimum, who pays?
I think a swollen mouth, with added blood, and "raspy breathing" should be proof enough.
I don't think it's really fair to ask you to demonstrate that each time someone requests proof. I've an open mind on proof, but it ought to be free, maybe a QR code cryptographically-signed by a doctor (whether physical or mental health) that could be downloaded from your login screen at their practice or whatever.

I know there's currently no definition of what proof of exemption is because this lame government did half a job yet again and people were making it up as they went along, and I don't think any cases have ever reached court to clarify whether the line is.

Public Health Officer
Should they be allowed to ask if they themselves don't abide by the rules.
Probably not and they probably shouldn't be Public Health Officers, or at least started on the disciplinary pathway.

We'd "jumped up" "Ambassadors", who the year before were there to help people within the town centre, suddenly given the power to ask people to comply with the regulations. They didn't have to as they "talking to people", handing out QR code sheets and signage to shops that were open along with checking that they were sticking to the rules.
Yeah, I think I've written on here about one town's "Street Rangers" shouting at people, resulting in me no longer shopping in that town. I don't like it. Maybe their employers will notice that the market punishes them for this.

Something you can both try, paper mask.
What's the point, meduck? I agree with you that people who have real problems should be exempt. It's the perfectly-well laughing idiots who go "ha ha yeah we are all exempt" as they get on the train who this was trying to catch.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
A couple of pages back people were discussing changes to / loss of sense of smell. I believe this is related to certain covid proteins crossing the blood brain barrier which sounds a lot scarier .

Use Google scholar if you'd like to get more worried.
It sounds scary but some medications already do that, as do things like glucose.

I could do random Google searches, but I expect the health scammers rank higher than reasonable peer-reviewed opinions and medical texts are not easy for non-specialists.
 

AuroraSaab

Veteran
Oldest was on the trams in Manchester today. Said few passengers were wearing masks, which are mandatory. Not too busy so he was OK about it. A friend was at the Trafford Centre last week and said shoppers were wearing them in the actual shops but about 60% were walking around the centre with them off. Looks like freedom day complacency has started already round here.
 

Bazzer

Setting the controls for the heart of the sun.
It was present a few days ago. On babysitting duties, for a change Mrs B and I took our grandchild into Manchester on the tram. Use of masks and where used, being on the face properly, left a lot to be desired. With hindsight, we should have acted upon our discomfort and without our granddaughter, we would probably have abandoned the journey.
We chose the tram thinking, a) it was environmentally better than driving and b) mask use would be commonplace. This has backfired badly on us both, as we were both pinged today by the NHS app and went for Covid tests. - The outcome of which is awaited.
Tracking back our activities, unless it is a false notification, the contact could have only happened on the day we went on the tram and on the tram itself.😡
 

cambsno

Well-Known Member
Explain no exceptions to my partner who cannot breathe through one if exerting herself - eg using stairs over several storeys where there's no lift.

Or someone for whom something held over their nose/mouth recalls a traumatic incident in their lives.

People can still wear the face shields.
 
It was present a few days ago. On babysitting duties, for a change Mrs B and I took our grandchild into Manchester on the tram. Use of masks and where used, being on the face properly, left a lot to be desired. With hindsight, we should have acted upon our discomfort and without our granddaughter, we would probably have abandoned the journey.
We chose the tram thinking, a) it was environmentally better than driving and b) mask use would be commonplace. This has backfired badly on us both, as we were both pinged today by the NHS app and went for Covid tests. - The outcome of which is awaited.
Tracking back our activities, unless it is a false notification, the contact could have only happened on the day we went on the tram and on the tram itself.😡
A friend of mine who has to cross Manchester for her essential work, and thus has often needed to use the tram throughout the past 18mo, tells me that tram users have never been 'good' mask wearers and she has made many, many journeys where she has felt 'assaulted by breath'. The non-mask-wearers, she said, radiated arrogance, aggression and belligerence. She just kept her head down, double masked, tried as far as possible to keep away from people and cleaned face and hands with anti-viral wipes immediately on exiting the tram.
 
I see that South Tyneside is now over 1,000 cases per 100,000 :eek:
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A sign of things to come for the rest of England in the coming weeks I fear :sad:
 

Brandane

Legendary Member
Location
Costa Clyde
Fraulein Sturgeon has gone strangely quiet recently. No regular TV briefings to reassure her foot soldiers that everything was going to be fine.
The cynic in me suspects this graph might explain why she has been lying (no pun intended) low:

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