Coronavirus outbreak

[mjr]

I also wonder if there would be public led lockdown. Will people stop eating out, stop doing high risk jobs , .

If they do, we'll be back to 16-23 March 2020 situation with uncertainty nuking businesses. Restrictions may be bad for business, but uncertainty is worse and needless deaths are fatal.

 

[classic33]

Maybe time to change to quieter chemist then?

What would happen if you were somehow housebound for a while who would get your drugs?

I nominated a chemist that could get what was required at the time. The one adjoining the doctors surgery couldn't.

Chances are I'd end up in hospital. So far it hasn't happened.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

It is less a case of lockdown fatigue than it is that many are making a rational decision that they are not in the age/health profiles at risk and/or are vaccinated. Many are no longer scared and are less inclined to follow the rules of lockdown.

That would be the interpretation in our household.

Whilst this is anecdotal (and hence ignorable I guess) of the dozen or so people I have spoken to since Monday and the 6 work colleagues of my wife that she has spoken to, all are in the same camp as described above and are broadly supportive of the full easement of the restrictive measures currently in place subject to the 4 tests being met.

CC is not a typical cross section of the greater community (and nor are my dozen or so friends I have spoken to to be fair) and I wonder if there is any data available re current perceptions of the proposed easement of restictions?

 

[mjr]

I wonder if there is any data available re current perceptions of the proposed easement of restictions?

The latest I've seen is that a slim majority think it won't happen on the 19th:

from https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en...19th-july-planned-confidence-nhs-remains-high which also says 77% are currently worried about the risk to others.

 

[johnblack]

CC is not a typical cross section of the greater community (and nor are my dozen or so friends I have spoken to to be fair) and I wonder if there is any data available re current perceptions of the proposed easement of restictions?

So much this.
Obviously only my experience, but I'm lucky enough to be out and about and see a fair few people of all ages, I can't remember one who has recently said anything other than they've had enough and want an end to the restrictions.

 

[mjr]

So much this.
Obviously only my experience, but I'm lucky enough to be out and about and see a fair few people of all ages, I can't remember one who has recently said anything other than they've had enough and want an end to the restrictions.

1. That is not the same as saying that they think all restrictions should end now or on the 19th. I want them to end too, but when it is reasonably safe.

2. That must have made conversations very dull

 

[Edwardoka]

I think the reason why CycleChat's stance is not terribly representative of the man on the Clapham Omnibus is: as vulnerable road users, cyclists are acutely aware of the difference between "risk I am willing to accept for myself" and "risk I am willing to inflict on others".

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I think the reason why CycleChat's stance is not terribly representative of the man on the Clapham Omnibus is: as vulnerable road users, cyclists are acutely aware of the difference between "risk I am willing to accept for myself" and "risk I am willing to inflict on others".

Polling consistently shows the public are more in favour of restrictions than the govt.

So perhaps it's just that those who want fReeDOm dAy NoW! are loundmouths and get more attention.

 

[mjr]

Polling consistently shows the public are more in favour of restrictions than the govt.

What have you seen recently?

So perhaps it's just that those who want fReeDOm dAy NoW! are loundmouths and get more attention.

Cheese-seating covid-surrender monkeys, the lot of them!

 

[Wobblers]

As Chris Whitty said, if we dont relax now, when can we?

Schools are off for 6 weeks which is a plus. So too (hopefully) the nice weather.

If we dont relax now then we do this when kids go back, it gets colder, which is the start of virus season.

"If we don't relax now, when can we" is not a reason. There's no reasoning involved for starters. It is a justification.

There are no shortage of reasons why removing all restrictions is a high risk course. Delta is considerably more transmittable than any other widespread variant - and is already spreading exponentially. This risks the NHS being overrun with Covid cases.

Furthermore, Covid does not just cause death. About 10% of those who contract it end up with long Covid - months of in some cases debilitating symptoms most notably persistent fatigue. A significant fraction - perhaps as high as 1% - will be unlucky enough to come out with more serious issues: many of which are likely to be permanently debilitating: strokes, heart damage, lung scarring, kidney damage. Treating and supporting these unfortunate people is an expense that will last years or decades. understand that the negative economic consequences of removing restrictions will be greater long term than the short term hit of not doing so. It is difficult to argue that removing restrictions makes economic sense.

 

[Wobblers]

You really do read things completely differently to me, the fella states someone has no sense of smell but in the same sentence says the smell of Chicken makes her sick?

Reduction and alteration of the sense of smell is a very well documented long term consequence of Covid infection. This in fact is a fairly typical presentation.

@kingrollo, there's recent MedCram youtube video which looks at the issue of smell loss here. It goes into some detail (and looks at studies published in the medical literature) how therapy using essential oils can aid. Worth thinking about?

 

[Deleted User]

Reduction and alteration of the sense of smell is a very well documented long term consequence of Covid infection. This in fact is a fairly typical presentation.

@kingrollo, there's recent MedCram youtube video which looks at the issue of smell loss here. It goes into some detail (and looks at studies published in the medical literature) how therapy using essential oils can aid. Worth thinking about?

Does nobody see what I read?

"She can't smell, the smell of Chicken makes her ill."

How the f**k can she smell it if she can't smell!!

 

[Deleted User]

So much this.
Obviously only my experience, but I'm lucky enough to be out and about and see a fair few people of all ages, I can't remember one who has recently said anything other than they've had enough and want an end to the restrictions.

That's the difference, 'out and about' seems most of the posters on the subject are either retired, working from home or just plain frit.

Not one person I speak to, and I must see 20-30 people every week think we should extend restrictions but they are all either working, in the pub or friends which is the big difference in my opinion.

 

[Deleted User]

2. That must have made conversations very dull

It usually goes "Thank god this mask wearing bo**?x will be over on the 19th "

"Too right "

Then talk about something important.

Do you actually discuss it in real life with people face to face then like you do on here, I would be very surprised unless you are all in agreement and can therefore analyse the next strategy and process for a safe return to normality.

 

[mjr]

That's the difference, 'out and about' seems most of the posters on the subject are either retired, working from home or just plain frit.

That is another post where "seems" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. I humbly suggest that your views are colouring your perception of other posters. I was on tour for most of the last two weeks, which I suspect is more "out and about" than you or the previous poster who seem to see the same group of surrender supporters every week.

Not one person I speak to, and I must see 20-30 people every week think we should extend restrictions but they are all either working, in the pub or friends which is the big difference in my opinion.

Who here is arguing for extending restrictions? I'm arguing for keeping some of them, such as covering faces in enclosed spaces, while relaxing others, as the data suggests.