Corona Virus: How Are We Doing?

[Milzy]

And action taken against the site being used to spread conspiracy theories and disinformation.

There’s nothing wrong with this site. It’s well moderated & people have the freedom of speech. This forum doesn’t have unfair censorship like Twitter thankfully.

 

[Mo1959]

There’s nothing wrong with this site. It’s well moderated & people have the freedom of speech. This forum doesn’t have unfair censorship like Twitter thankfully.

Some people just can’t seem to accept that we don’t all hold the same high opinions of the vaccines though and tar anyone that isn’t happy with them as raising conspiracy theories.

I decided from day one I didn’t want any and I’m happy with my decision.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Some people just can’t seem to accept that we don’t all hold the same high opinions of the vaccines though and tar anyone that isn’t happy with them as raising conspiracy theories.

There are several conspiracy theories raised above.

I decided from day one I didn’t want any and I’m happy with my decision.

So? Lots of people take irrational risks.

 

[Pat "5mph"]

Mod Note:
May I please remind posters that without a reputable link to information or statements, it's just made up stories, aka conspiracy theories.
Please refrain, cheers: "do your own research" just doesn't cut it.
This is the "Corona how are we doing thread", let's keep it on topic, please.

 

[Milzy]

Mod Note:
May I please remind posters that without a reputable link to information or statements, it's just made up stories, aka conspiracy theories.
Please refrain, cheers: "do your own research" just doesn't cut it.
This is the "Corona how are we doing thread", let's keep it on topic, please.

Yes quite fair enough. I think we are all doing mostly ok now. I predict in the winter we may catch it again with mild symptoms. I don’t think any expert truly knows the future, only time will tell.

 

[Ajax Bay]

Some people just can’t seem to accept that we don’t all hold the same high opinions of the vaccines though and tar anyone that isn’t happy with them as raising conspiracy theories.
I decided from day one I didn’t want any and I’m happy with my decision.

Mo - I encourage you, even though its 600+ days since day one, to get vaccinated. When (not if) you catch it, if vaccinated you will have a much lower chance of being seriously ill. The reduction in chance will be much less if you're under 50 and of good health - in those circumstances a decision not to get vaccinated (now that the effect of vaccination on transmissibility of illness is much less with όμικρον variants) the argument for getting vaccinated for the common good is far weaker. I entirely respect your choice, just as I hope you will recognise and appreciate my concern for you.
Regarding high opinions of the vaccines, or lack of it, I prefer to be guided by the science. If you review my response to @Milzy 's outburst, I tried to base that on the best facts available and refute some assertions, the ones I understood. Some of the stuff raised smelt like 'conspiracy', quacked like 'conspiracy' - the best response is not 'tarring': that's cruel to birds. Better a nice clean shot, or several if there is more than one bird.
Keep taking the Vitamin D - I am, and hope you and yours stay well.

 

[Andy in Germany]

Yes quite fair enough. I think we are all doing mostly ok now. I predict in the winter we may catch it again with mild symptoms. I don’t think any expert truly knows the future, only time will tell.

Bear in mind for some of us, a cold can mean Pneumonia, so we have to take anything of this nature very seriously indeed.

 

[Milzy]

Mo - I encourage you, even though its 600+ days since day one, to get vaccinated. When (not if) you catch it, if vaccinated you will have a much lower chance of being seriously ill. The reduction in chance will be much less if you're under 50 and of good health - in those circumstances a decision not to get vaccinated (now that the effect of vaccination on transmissibility of illness is much less with όμικρον variants) the argument for getting vaccinated for the common good is far weaker. I entirely respect your choice, just as I hope you will recognise and appreciate my concern for you.
Regarding high opinions of the vaccines, or lack of it, I prefer to be guided by the science. If you review my response to @Milzy 's outburst, I tried to base that on the best facts available and refute some assertions, the ones I understood. Some of the stuff raised smelt like 'conspiracy', quacked like 'conspiracy' - the best response is not 'tarring': that's cruel to birds. Better a nice clean shot, or several if there is more than one bird.
Keep taking the Vitamin D - I am, and hope you and yours stay well.

Science is questioning science. Conspiracy was invented by the U.S government to deflect wrong doings & secrets they don’t want the public to know/believe. Data is out there to prove those shots aren’t as safe as they first made out. I had Myocarditis on my second Pfizer & felt exhausted my eyes were like pins in my head. Looked pale. After that I’ve said I’ll never have a booster ever again. I’ve been lucky some people have had even worse reactions. My mother in law has a bad heart & her doctor instructed her not to have a Covid vaccine.
Twitter banned someone for misinformation about Covid & he sued them in court only to have his account re-instated. Mo is smart enough to decide what’s best for her.

 

[Mo1959]

Science is questioning science. Conspiracy was invented by the U.S government to deflect wrong doings & secrets they don’t want the public to know/believe. Data is out there to prove those shots aren’t as safe as they first made out. I had Myocarditis on my second Pfizer & felt exhausted my eyes were like pins in my head. Looked pale. After that I’ve said I’ll never have a booster ever again. I’ve been lucky some people have had even worse reactions. My mother in law has a bad heart & her doctor instructed her not to have a Covid vaccine.
Twitter banned someone for misinformation about Covid & he sued them in court only to have his account re-instated. Mo is smart enough to decide what’s best for him.

Her

I personally only know one person who died from Covid and he was our local bin lorry driver. Sedentary job, drinker and morbidly obese. However, I know two people who had strokes and one who took unexplained seizures after the vaccinations even although absolutely no history of same so I'm happy with my choice. I don't take the flu vaccine either.

 

[Milzy]

Her

I personally only know one person who died from Covid and he was our local bin lorry driver. Sedentary job, drinker and morbidly obese. However, I know two people who had strokes and one who took unexplained seizures after the vaccinations even although absolutely no history of same so I'm happy with my choice. I don't take the flu vaccine either.

I don’t take flu vaccine either my asthma has gone through keeping fit. A good friend of mine 45 years old & quite healthy had a bleed on the brain he had a terrible seizure & his 8 year old phoned an ambulance. They had to put a clip in his brain & now he suffers headaches, confusion, lethargy & irritability. This happened not long after a third booster jab. Maybe it was going to happen anyway but maybe not?

 

[fossyant]

Yes, some people will react badly to a vaccine, but those same people would possibly react badly to the actual virus. I know enough healthy eople that were hit really badly by the virus, far more than had any side effects from the jabs, so it's your personal experience that is an influence on your decisions, which you are entitled to.

I'm still seeing colleagues go off with covid, some are fine, some quite poorly. I have significant to contact with many people during the day, so I'll most likely get the flu jab and the covid one - mainly so I'm not ill. Flu hit me hard in 2019 and ruined a fair few weeks cycling

 

[midlife]

Her

I personally only know one person who died from Covid and he was our local bin lorry driver. Sedentary job, drinker and morbidly obese. However, I know two people who had strokes and one who took unexplained seizures after the vaccinations even although absolutely no history of same so I'm happy with my choice. I don't take the flu vaccine either.

My experience is completely the opposite. Several colleagues died from covid including our young and fit electrician.

Our organisation has 4000 employees most of which have been vaccinated / boosted. Aside from sore arms and feeling unwell I heard of nobody having anything else untoward.

You are autonomous and can make your own choices and that's life and that's fine with me.

My choice is that benefit outweigh risk and despite anti vaxxers calling me a sheeple I don't believe that Pfizer is not a vaccine and I don't believe that there is a government conspiracy regarding vaccine efficacy .

Social media still moderate vaccine content AFAIK

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-62877597

 

[Milzy]

It’s pointless both side’s arguing the toss now. In 5 or 10 years there’s going to be some seriously huge amounts of data good & bad. Then we will have a clear picture & look back on all this.

 

[Ajax Bay]

It’s pointless both side’s arguing the toss now. In 5 or 10 years there’s going to be some seriously huge amounts of data good & bad. Then we will have a clear picture & look back on all this.

For many people's sake (reduction in their chance of serious illness by taking advantage of vaccination) the toss need to be an informed 'toss'. So any misinformation needs to be countered. If I have offered misinformation in my comments above, I apologise.
Think there's already "seriously huge amounts of data" already collected and shared: the 'picture' is sufficiently clear now (no need to wait till "then"). Obviously in 5 years there will be more data.

 

[C R]

It’s pointless both side’s arguing the toss now. In 5 or 10 years there’s going to be some seriously huge amounts of data good & bad. Then we will have a clear picture & look back on all this.

For many people's sake (reduction in their chance of serious illness by taking advantage of vaccination) the toss need to be an informed 'toss'. So any misinformation needs to be countered. If I have offered misinformation in my comments above, I apologise.
Think there's already "seriously huge amounts of data" already collected and shared: the 'picture' is sufficiently clear now (no need to wait till "then"). Obviously in 5 years there will be more data.

Paraphrasing Brian Clough, we'll wait five years and we'll decide that the vaccines were fine.