Corona Virus: How Are We Doing?

[Mo1959]

No vaccinations for me and no covid.

 

[Milzy]

. . .anxiety - nope; someone else perhaps.
we were told the vaccines would stop the spread - no; you must have misunderstood. Reduce not stop, but most impotantly reduce the numbers seriously ill or worse.
We were told they’d save lives but many with the vaccines still died anyway - Millions of lives were saved (or prolonged, anyway) - "take my word for it or do your own research" . Of course unvaccinated people still died: that's what people do. About 635k per year in UK and more than 100 million annually across the world (estimate - 7+ billion world population, mean age at death <70).
Unvaccinated were called plague bearers - not by any sensible person: but I guess I don't know with whom you frequent.
Many unvaccinated I know have never known to have showed any symptoms. Your deduction is . . what exactly?
a product [vaccine] that is nowhere near as good as they said it was. Actually, the protection offered from the first tranche of vaccines (Dec 2020 - Sep 2021) was very close to the trial data. nnnThe swift devlopment and production at scale of effective vaccines was a testament to the scientists involved and the pharmaceutical companies.
People are resigning all over - who had you in mind? The Prime Minister of Sweden?
& heads will role -
sudden adult death syndrome is on the increase now. Do tell us more about this? Provided it doesn't make you anxious.

You’re just parroting the lying government narrative. It’s not even a true vaccine & was only allowed to use under emergency reasons. Why did Pfizer try to cover up information for 75 years? Why did they get immunity from been sued? I’ll bet they’ll change their company name soon as it’s so tarnished. Wait until winter when thousands more will die or become maimed. The risks outweigh the benefits for most normal people. Funny how they’ve banned the younger children from mandatory Covid vaccination in the U.K now. There’s a reason why it’s called Convid & the clot shot.

 

[fossyant]

You’re just parroting the lying government narrative. It’s not even a true vaccine & was only allowed to use under emergency reasons. Why did Pfizer try to cover up information for 75 years? Why did they get immunity from been sued? I’ll bet they’ll change their company name soon as it’s so tarnished. Wait until winter when thousands more will die or become maimed. The risks outweigh the benefits for most normal people. Funny how they’ve banned the younger children from mandatory Covid vaccination in the U.K now. There’s a reason why it’s called Convid & the clot shot.

There are adverse reactions from any vaccination. TB, polio ect are more or less unknown viruses now - there is a reason. I know enough people who have been very ill from the virus, possibly contributed to MIL dying as she had severe CV issues, and caught covid a few months before - pneumonia put her in hosptial soon after.

Adverse reactions are an indicator af adverse reactions to a virus too. It's your DNA and general health that puts yu at risk, the DNA bit you don't know.

3 vax here and no covid, and I'm working in a high transmisablity enviromnent, as well as going out and mixing these days. Not had so much as a sniffle in 3 years. No side effects at all from the vax.

 

[C R]

You’re just parroting the lying government narrative. It’s not even a true vaccine & was only allowed to use under emergency reasons. Why did Pfizer try to cover up information for 75 years? Why did they get immunity from been sued? I’ll bet they’ll change their company name soon as it’s so tarnished. Wait until winter when thousands more will die or become maimed. The risks outweigh the benefits for most normal people. Funny how they’ve banned the younger children from mandatory Covid vaccination in the U.K now. There’s a reason why it’s called Convid & the clot shot.

 

[midlife]

You’re just parroting the lying government narrative. It’s not even a true vaccine & was only allowed to use under emergency reasons. Why did Pfizer try to cover up information for 75 years? Why did they get immunity from been sued? I’ll bet they’ll change their company name soon as it’s so tarnished. Wait until winter when thousands more will die or become maimed. The risks outweigh the benefits for most normal people. Funny how they’ve banned the younger children from mandatory Covid vaccination in the U.K now. There’s a reason why it’s called Convid & the clot shot.

Might have been a while since I read Ivan Roitt textbook on immunology and passed the exam but could have sworn Cominarty is a vaccine.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Indeed

 

[Dogtrousers]

Just by the way ... I was in Italy earlier this week. Mandatory FFP2 wearing on public transport. Pretty close to 100% observance as far as I could see.

 

[Ajax Bay]

You’re just parroting the lying government narrative. It’s not even a true vaccine & was only allowed to use under emergency reasons. Why did Pfizer try to cover up information for 75 years? Why did they get immunity from been sued? I’ll bet they’ll change their company name soon as it’s so tarnished. Wait until winter when thousands more will die or become maimed. The risks outweigh the benefits for most normal people. Funny how they’ve banned the younger children from mandatory Covid vaccination in the U.K now. There’s a reason why it’s called Convid & the clot shot.

I appreciate I can be accused of feeding the troll, but here goes.
You’re just parroting the lying government narrative. Nope - I made it all up.
It’s not even a true vaccine - please define "true vaccine" so we can understand what you are saying it isn't.
[It] was only allowed to use under emergency reasons. In 2020 there was a world pandemic: seemed like an emergency to me. 'Emergency' authorisation is the normal route for allowing vaccines to be rolled out when the perceived benefits merit it. The AZ vaccine was given temporary Authorisation under Regulation 174 by the UK MHRA. The various vaccines have saved millions of lives (20M a year according to the Med News link I shared ^^) It takes years to achieve full marketing authorisation - in due course I expect a number of the best vaccines will achieve that in normal course.
Why did Pfizer try to cover up information for 75 years? No idea if they did or not - the relevance is what, please?
Why did they get immunity from been sued? No idea "do your own research" and let us know (on another cycling related thread please). The approach to "immunity from been [sic] sued" for vaccine development and deployment varies from country to country. Perhaps they discovered a 100% effective vaccine which conferred 'immunity' against litigation.
Wait until winter when thousands more will die or become maimed. I have already shared the average number of people who die annually, all causes. In UK there is always a spike in the winter months (and this may be exaggerated by flu this time round - so please take a flu jab if offered). There is no evidence, emerging or theoretical, that the ongoing vaccination against COVID-19 variants (or indeed flu) is the cause of increased deaths. "Maimed" - give us a break from hyperbole. The KSI road incident estimates for GB are here: Reported-road-casualties-in-GB
The risks outweigh the benefits for most normal people. The risk of vaccination doesn't vary much with age. The benefits are well proven for those above an uncertain age. Below that the risk/benefit analysis is less clear.
Funny how they’ve banned the younger children from mandatory Covid vaccination in the U.K now. Vaccination against COVID-19 has never been mandatory in UK, for any age group. For some worker groups it has sensibly been mandatory (not sure if it is still the case), but that excludes "younger children". Inform yourself of the MHRA advice please read and the JCVI) on vaccination of the younger age groups
I doubt vaccination was ever worth it for healthy under 5s. This JCVI statement will inform and even pique your clear interest in this topic.
JCVI-update-on-advice-for-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-and-young-people
Finally and (edit) added since you seem to be 'at risk' @Milzy Young-people-may-be-more-likely-to-believe-in-conspiracy-theories-that-deny-covid-fact

 

[mjr]

Just by the way ... I was in Italy earlier this week. Mandatory FFP2 wearing on public transport. Pretty close to 100% observance as far as I could see.

I was in Italy last week. Same mask rule, but well known to end at the end of the month. Compliance in Rome less than 30% I think, higher further north.

 

[cougie uk]

There’s plenty of studies to show the mask mandates causes more harm than good. Please don’t ask for links, take my word for it or do your own research. I’m not just talking about the virus traveling through the gaps in the rubbish material either. Psychological damage has been done to young children who weren’t able to read facial expressions. Even adults need to communicate in non verbal ways too.
Not long back there was a women walking in the country side in the pouring rain with nobody around for miles wearing a crappy blue surgical mask. I just thought WTF? Also seen a few people with them around their chins. WTF again. 🙄

That's absolute rubbish.

And just because some people don't wear them properly doesn't invalidate their use.

We do need research done into the harm of wearing the tinfoil hats though.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

We do need research done into the harm of wearing the tinfoil hats though.

And action taken against the site being used to spread conspiracy theories and disinformation.

 

[Julia9054]

I was in Italy last week. Same mask rule, but well known to end at the end of the month. Compliance in Rome less than 30% I think, higher further north.

Very little mask wearing in the touristy bits of the Dolomites in August. Full compliance on trains and buses in Germany and a telling off for me by a train guard as I boarded with mine still around my wrist (I forgot!)

 

[midlife]

Just as aside, at work we have stopped using FFP3 respirators for aerosol generating procedures in asymptomatic untested patients. We can wear them if we want but no longer mandated. social distancing has stopped in waiting rooms and staff rooms as well. Routine staff twice weekly LFT stopped and only test if symptoms.

Masks still encouraged to be worn by all in hospital buildings, still wearing aprons, masks and visors to treat. 2 people off poorly with Covid at the moment so still not gone away. There are some other rule changes to do with in patients, wards where there are outbreaks, and day stay but don’t affect many people.

Picked up prescription last week and mask wearing directed at the doctors.

Strictly we are still working to a Covid SOP so not 100% pre Covid activity despite being told to work at 110%.

 

[mjr]

Very little mask wearing in the touristy bits of the Dolomites in August. Full compliance on trains and buses in Germany and a telling off for me by a train guard as I boarded with mine still around my wrist (I forgot!)

Yeah, they're crazy, those Romans!

 

[Dogtrousers]

I was in Italy last week. Same mask rule, but well known to end at the end of the month. Compliance in Rome less than 30% I think, higher further north.

I was in the North of Italy, so makes sense.